Dever Results

[Snrub]

I thought it was a very good race for this track. CART is getting back to the way it use to be. Passing even on VERY tough courses.

Junky put in a good race, but I was hoping Servia would come through.

PT would have won if he hadn't spun in Q2. That said it was odd how he was the fastest guy at some points, other points he was cruising and others he was slowing people down.

Dominguez probably could have won too. Normally it would p!ssed me off that someone was driving like a maniac, but he made the race a lot of fun. That one move on Manning was WAY to aggressive. If manning wasn't so heads up Dominguez would have deserved a REAL penalty. I love that he's going so fast. He just needs to be a bit smarter about things. Realistically he deserves a big penality after all the recent stuff, but I don't want him to get it. CART is still being incredibly stupid with their marshalling this year.

Everyone seems impressed with Tiago, but he's really got to clean his act up. He's taking everyone out. Mario passed atleast a dozen cars so atleast when he acts like a nut he makes it work.

Observation about Moreno: He NEVER use to hit stuff. He would never set a wheel wrong and was Mr. Consistency. It seems like every race he has atleast 1 crash or off course excursion that is solely his fault.

[MLM]

I'll admit Tiago had brain fades in Vancouver and Montreal but this one was not entirely his fault. Looks like Salo didn't give him any room and went into him (and he was a lap down, too) I wish he would have retired when he spun the 1st time and lost his front wing!

Dominguez was one lucky dude today. I agree with your estimation of Moreno. I was glad to see Adrian have a good race.

GREAT JOB by Bruno!

[varsitypride3]

It was a VERY enjoyable race... i loved it. Watching Dominguez like that makes me realize what Adrian needs to be more competitive... take a risk! I know that's not always the best strategy, but it makes for fantastic racing... and it's those drivers land the perfect balance between risk and consistency that win championships.

[macdaddy]

Hunter-Reay and his crew sure had a scary experience! Thank Goodness for handy water buckets!

The Newman/Haas team was quite impressive. This was their third 1-2 finish of the year.

The championship's tight, and the season is drawing to a close. Gonna be pretty exciting, the Vanderbilt will likely not be decided before Fontana.

[BootsOntheSide]

Seems like a great race, with Bruno, Sebastien and Oriol all thoroughly deserving to be on the podium.

Tracy and Dominguez seemed to do well in coming through the field, and both probably qualified below where there efforts truly merited, so good jobs there. Bruno will be disappointed that Paul retrieved such a good result from 9th.

Geoff Boss gets a point! Slow and steady may not win the race, but it can win you something. Amusing that at least 12 cars have been runing almost every time this seaosn, whereas among the bigger fields of 2000, Montoya twice scored points despite breaking down well before the finish.

[corkholio]

The top 3 guys drove well but the thing was decided in the pits, as usual at a **** street circuit like this one.

I would be the first to criticize Mr. Monteiro but Salo deserved more of the blame in that incident. They were side-by-side heading into the corner and Salo being a lap down should have been expected to let the car on the lead lap go. A great example of what goes around comes around.

Both the Conquest guys actually drove good solid races only to have the tables turned and have their race ruined by other drivers' idiotcy. That team probably has the most underrated set of engineers.

Quit looking in Iraq, because the WoMDominguez has been in the Herdez car all year. CART officials seem to have lost their balls when it comes to dealing with the most reckless driver in the series after mistakenly penalising him for doing nothing wrong. How many more races does he have to ruin before CART actually does something about it? The way things were going WoMDominguez could have gotten Geoff Boss on the podium.

Lavin has actually managed to raise the level of incompetence by hitting both the Herdez cars this time around (and still couldn't save the field from WoMDominguez). At this point I rather see Shiggy than him. Seriously.

Good thing RHR was alright.

Did anyone notice Tracy cheating again, by cutting straight across into the fastlane in the pits to pass Fernandez?

[cos]

And Manning is now the first rookie to get 8 consecutive top-10 finishes.

[MLM]

Originally posted by corkholio
The top 3 guys drove well but the thing was decided in the pits, as usual at a **** street circuit like this one.

I would be the first to criticize Mr. Monteiro but Salo deserved more of the blame in that incident. They were side-by-side heading into the corner and Salo being a lap down should have been expected to let the car on the lead lap go. A great example of what goes around comes around.

Cork honey, I could kiss you! I totally agree (of course )Mika needs to learn that you get the heck out of the way when you're a lap down. Tiago ran out of room...plain and simple. His brakes or tires may have also contributed to the problem but he certainly can NOT take the entire blame on this one.
If you're were here, Cork, I'd buy you a beer(are you old enough to drink). But since you're not, here's a few "cyber beers" Cheers!

[Snrub]

I think Mario has the right idea, his increase aggressiveness has made him much more competitive. He needs to tone it down a bit. He doesn't seem to realize when he needs to wait a lap or two before making an attempt. The CART stewarts are completely toothless when it comes to him. My point is the race would have been about half as interesting without Mario.

The difference with Tiago is that his always result in damage to cars. Perhaps some blame was Salo's, but there is a pattern of behaviour that needs to be corrected.

[MLM]

The thing is Snrub, Tiago WAS using his head for most of that race. If anything , he was being very cautious (like at the start when PT and Haberfeld went by him). He's a rookie. Rookies make dumb mistakes. It's called "the learning curve". Look at PT....he was on it for a LONG time(and a lot of times,his mishaps resulted in damage to quite a few cars!)

Like I said, I'll grant you TM had brain fades at Vancouver and Montreal but I'm standing by him on this one. Perhaps he had problems with the brakes and/or tire pressure, but Mika was just as much (if not more) to blame in this instance.

[Jordi]

Mario is not a nutter, corky. He actually showed you that you can pass at Denver...

About Monteiro/Salo... 50/50. Tiago could have had more patience and Mika could have opened more the door.

[corkholio]

Originally posted by Jordi
Mario is not a nutter, corky. He actually showed you that you can pass at Denver...

Sure he was. He had a fast car and decided to use it as a weapon to get pass people. He just threw his car at people and forced them to move out of the way or get taken out, as
quite a few of his moves were poorly judge and poorly executed. The difference between what WoMDominguez and Jourdain at Laguna this year was that Jourdain actually used his brain to make his passes. At no point during the Laguna race was Jourdain even close to risking a collision with his passes, as they were well time and well executed. What Jourdain did was good racing and exciting. WoMDominguez showed that he belongs in NASCAR.

[paulzinho]

Is there really any need to use WoMDominguez?

Haven't seen the race yet but I've been diappointed at the amount of DNF's Moreno has posted this year, I remamber his last time out in CART was fantastic, shame he didn't have a ride last year.

[corkholio]

Originally posted by paulzinho
Is there really any need to use WoMDominguez?

During the course of the year he has displayed utter stupidity that has resulted in himself, and on many occasion to the detriment of other drivers, going off course and often accidents, in 9 out of 15 races this year.

[paulzinho]

That may be true but but that hardly justifies some of the name calling that has been going on around here by some members this season.

punThiago and Blockerfeld spring to mind too, not really necessary. They have names!!!!

[corkholio]

Well "That Mexican Fellow (TMF)" or "That Brazilian Fellow (TBF)" would have been just too broad.

[paulzinho]

Fair point!

[Emfa]

Did anyone hear any attendance figures? There didn't appear to be many people there on Saturday.

[BobbyB]

C'mon, cork... the name calling doesn't enhance your postings.

[MLM]

I just saw this in another forum (AtlasF1)...interesting (and, good for Mika! )

"In an interview in the Finnish TV Salo took the blame in his retirement. Salo said that cold tires surprised him, especially combined with the turbo which gives power to the wheels quite suddenly. Salo described it as a rookie mistake."

http://www.atlasf1.com/bb/showthread...1&pagenumber=3

[Liz]

Salo had also mentioned in a pre-race interview that he was having a hard time getting used to the fact that his new ride is about a meter wider than his F1 car. Perhaps when he slammed the door so emphatically on Tiago he had forgotten that -- easy to get programmed into thinking the way you have always thought. (Remember he started to get out of his stalled car and they had to yell at him to sit down for a bump start?) Give Salo the same consideration you gave Alex Yoong in his first race -- although Yoong had a much better result as I recall.