Why not Jenson to Jordan?

Mr V · 30 Jun 2002, 00:32 (Ref:324407)

If reports are to be believed, Fernando Alonso is on his way to Renault at the expense of Jenson. According to other reports, B&H want a British driver in the jordan next year and Eddie Irvines name has been linked, however, according to F1-Live, Eddie has said that he will walk away from F1 if the new Jag is not up to speed. I personally am a fan of both drivers and my wish is to see Eddie spend his last season in F1 in a Jordan, but if thats not going to happen, why don't B&H Jordan go in for Jenson?

http://f1.racing-live.com/en/

Valve Bounce · 30 Jun 2002, 00:42 (Ref:324414)

If reports are true that Jordan is going to have the Cosworth engine next year, this will be a fast car, and the Jordan seat will be sought after. Bunsen is keen to stay at Renault even if it means a pay cut, and I don't blame him, because Renault will win races next year. However, everyone seems to be writing either one or both Jordan drivers from the team next year. So it seems the perms and coms are becoming greater as teh silly season finally approaches. Nevrtheless, it remains to be seen if the Jordan Cosworth will be able to fight it out with the big 4.

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f1manoz · 30 Jun 2002, 00:48 (Ref:324416)

Well, Fisichella will certainly be staying, unless he's offered a contract from Ferrari (which would be an absolute bloody miracle!)

Sato's future is certainly not assured. There are still the rumours he's there due to Honda influence, but EJ has always said he's there on talent alone, but I guess we'll see at year's end.

If the second seat does become available, the seat should definetely be given to Button as he's driven superbly this year and, if designed right, a Jordan-Cosworth could be a formidable car. Irvine should retire gracefully now.

Sato san · 30 Jun 2002, 08:52 (Ref:324471)

I would be surprised to see Jense go to Jordan , but anything can happen after all.

Eveb though Jag are a pile of pants this year , i would have still thought that Jag were th better long term option for him because sooner or later thay have to deliver , they have a heathly budget , Jordan are struggling , and the next couple of years could be a bit tough for them if they dont produce a great chassis at the begining of the season.

Guy Goddard2 · 30 Jun 2002, 17:55 (Ref:324628)

Is it almost assured now that Honda will not provide power to Jordan next year and that they will have Cosworth power?
Is the ferrari engine still a factor?

Guy

EERO · 30 Jun 2002, 19:19 (Ref:324658)

Ferrari have made it pretty clear that they'll only supply one team for the time being-Saber. However, Fisi has been linked to Sauber with the supposition that he might move to Ferrari with Schumacher's retirement. This runs counter to the conventional wisdom that Ferrari won't ever have an Italian driver again. We'll see.

However, with the loss of the Honda's, I'll bet Sato's days at Jordan are numbered and that's one seat up for grabs. If Fisi were to leave as well, that opens the possibility that both Button and the Swerve might be in Jordans next year.

Sato san · 30 Jun 2002, 19:22 (Ref:324664)

mmmmmmmmmmm...silly season is in full swing then !

this time of year is mad isnt it ...be interesting to see it when it all pans out though .

Yoong Montoya · 30 Jun 2002, 20:18 (Ref:324718)

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Originally posted by EERO

However, with the loss of the Honda's, I'll bet Sato's days at Jordan are numbered and that's one seat up for grabs. If Fisi were to leave as well, that opens the possibility that both Button and the Swerve might be in Jordans next year.

I don't think Jordan ever would run 2 British drivers. And I think Fisichella will still be at Jordan next year anyway, even if they have to use customer Cosworth engines.

Raven · 30 Jun 2002, 22:49 (Ref:324777)

I think EJ is not as unhappy with Sato as some would suggest. My guess is he'll stay on at Jordan for 2003.

**Stephen Green** · 1 Jul 2002, 12:42 (Ref:325091)

Ok, here I go again. Casting my mind back to this time last year I said on the forums that Sato would go to Jordan because he IS sponsored by Honda and was so in F3 last year. Mr v and I both stated that Jenson would remain at Renault because it was Renault that wanted him following his F3 season with them and NOT Flav the man. I still believe that Jenson will remain at Renault assuming Williams don't want him back (remember he is a Williams driver first and foremost). As for Jordan, I don't see any reason what so ever that would prevent EJ from running two British drivers if they were giving him the best chance of winning.

IF Jordan are to get the customer Cossies, then I can only pray they are the same spec as the factory engines.

It is also wholly wrong to assume that Jensons long term future would be better at Jaguar than Jordan. Jaguar (Ford) could pull out as team owners at the drop of a hat, and with the current losses being incurred at Ford I wouldn't put it past them to do just that. Jordan however is still majority owned by the Eddie himself and that will make a difference.

Car manufacturers will only stay in F1 as long as it suits their marketing priorities. When their goals have been met they will dump Formula 1 just as quickly as they all piled onto the band waggon.

Just think back some years to the hight of the last housing boom. All the major insurance companies bought into the estate agents. Within five years the majority had pulled out and the guys who sold their business for vast amounts of money, bought them back at a fraction of the cost.

Skooz me, I rest my case for F1...

Evilsenna · 1 Jul 2002, 22:42 (Ref:325476)

I think next year we will see Button in the Jordan with
Fisichella, without the Honda engine

In renault there will be Alonso and Trulli.

Irvine will go in retirement and Webber will take his place
with Teammate De La Rosa

Lee Janotta · 2 Jul 2002, 00:34 (Ref:325527)

Here's how I see it:

Jensen wants Renault
Renault wants Fernando
Jaguar wants Jensen
Jensen doesn't want Jaguar
Jordan wants Cosworth
Honda doesn't want Jordan
Jordan doesn't want Sato
Nobody wants Irvine

My expectation is that Jensen, once he's officially dismissed, will do all he can to get that Jordan seat, but Justin Wilson wants it badly as well. It may come down to who can provide the most sponsorship money for the team.

If he doesn't get the Jordan seat, he'll have to go to Jaguar. If he doesn't go to Jaguar, that seat will be wide open, as it's almost certain that Irvine will "choose" to retire before Lauda fires him. Webber's always a possibility, though.

It'll be an absolute shame if Justin Wilson doesn't get a fair shot at F1. He turned excellent times in his tests with Jordan last season, even with his helmet blocking off a portion of the intake!

BTW, I can see some serious problems coming down the road if Flavio insists on running Renault as though it were an Italian team! Renault always used to insist on French drivers whenever possible... Prost, Arnoux, etc. Passing on the French-Canadian Villeneuve and firing the Englishman Button in favor of Trulli and Alanso is _not_ in the best interests of promoting the Renault brand.

I'm wondering if Ove Andersson may not be putting himself in the same situation. Salo and McNish, while solid and competent drivers, are _not_ the equals of a Button, Wilson, Webber, and certainly not a Villeneuve. It seems to me as though he's insisting on being the most important figure in the team.

senna12 · 2 Jul 2002, 01:28 (Ref:325548)

http://www.planet-f1.com/news/articl...1/ENG?ref=9779

Well, if Jenson is to be believed, he seems to think he controls his own destiny. I can't believe that Frank would leave the option at the discretion of the driver.

If web reports are to be believed, Jenson could be with any of a number of teams next year. His management team is hard at work, it appears. I think he has earned his ride at Renault, but Alonso probably has the ride written into his contract. Not that this means anything nowadays.

**Stephen Green** · 2 Jul 2002, 07:11 (Ref:325627)

Button is on a long term contract with Williams. As always, half way through the season all sorts of rumours do the rounds. I stick with my view that Jenson will be at Renault next year and if anyone leaves it will be Trulli.

Mr V · 2 Jul 2002, 07:47 (Ref:325645)

Quote:

Originally posted by Stephen Green
I stick with my view that Jenson will be at Renault next year and if anyone leaves it will be Trulli.

As much as i think Jenson deserves his seat at Renault next year, i've just got this feeling that Flovor Flav's gonna "shaft" him! Flav seems more interested in having two of his own contracted drivers in the car than anything else!

f1manoz · 2 Jul 2002, 08:03 (Ref:325652)

Doesn't Buttons contract run out at the end of this year, or is it next year?

To be honest, with Ralf and JPM on the books, there is little chance Button will get a Williams drive for 2003.

**Stephen Green** · 2 Jul 2002, 08:57 (Ref:325687)

Not sure when his contract expires. Sir Frank could do worse than to replace Ralph with Jenson in my humble opinion, but I doubt he will do so. The one I think would be a brilliant move for Jenson (assuming that idiot Flav gets rid of him) would be to go to Toyota. I think Toyota will be in the top 4 teams within a couple of years while Honda will struggle for some time yet even if they do buy BAR outright!

Sato san · 2 Jul 2002, 09:02 (Ref:325690)

Please dont take this as a anti-Ralf post ......but .....

if i had the choice of picking Jenson or Ralf to drive in my team , I wouldnt hesitate to sign Jenson over Ralf . Surley you need a driver that is 100% committed to winning for himself and the team , and unfortunatly that means going wheel to wheel with TGF .

This is where Ralf lets himself down IMO , as although he has the speed and maturity to race for a top team , he seems to lack the killer instinct to race hard with his brother . He is always too worried that he may spoil his brothers race , just like canada the other year . That is not a ideal situation , as to race in F1 you need a attitude like Juan Pablo or TGF ...they only think of them selfs and wouldnt back off for someone else in another team .

That and Jensons age and speed is why i would pick Jenson
over RALF anyday

**Stephen Green** · 2 Jul 2002, 09:33 (Ref:325716)

I have to agree with your comments Sato San and of course the not so small matter of salary would come into play as well. The one thing Sir Frank Williams has always admired is 'a racer'. That's why he put up with the moans and groans of Nigel Mansell for some years, the guy used to go out and drive the pants off the car. Sadly Ralph doesn't do that when racing his elder brother.

Valve Bounce · 2 Jul 2002, 10:25 (Ref:325742)

OK. Accordingly to the latest report in F1-Live, Bunsen believes he will win the WDC one year soon, he believes that he will remain in F1, but it does sound as if he is not confident of the Renault drive. So, all will be revealed after Silverstone, it seems.

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**Stephen Green** · 2 Jul 2002, 10:27 (Ref:325744)

Cheers for that VB, let's wait and see.

Valve Bounce · 2 Jul 2002, 12:44 (Ref:325834)

I honestly hope that Bunsen qualifies well up, and ends up on the podium. That will be the only way to make Flav and Frank take notice of his abilities. These days, both appear to pay lip service to his ability, but neither seem to want him enough for their team.

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f1manoz · 2 Jul 2002, 12:56 (Ref:325841)

Although I don't think he has a chance at getting a Williams seat, Button certainly deserves to keep his seat at Renault. He's done nothing but perform superbly this season, and any other seat other than a top-3 team would be a detriment to his abilities.

Valve Bounce · 2 Jul 2002, 13:00 (Ref:325844)

I suspect Flav has already committed the second seat to Fernando for next year. I know Bunsen was really hedging his bets during his latest interview. Didn't sound that confident at all.

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f1manoz · 2 Jul 2002, 13:02 (Ref:325846)

Hmm, perhaps Jordan may not be a bad idea. There are many ifs and buts surrounding next year for Jordan, but if they get the Cosworth, and they design a decent car, it won't be as good as a Renault but it should at least be a car capable of points finishes.

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