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2 Feb 2004, 11:13 (Ref:859921)
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Great Drives by 'Non-greats'
I've been inspired by Mr Vs thread on Senna's Donington performance. I was wondering what drives by lesser known drivers would you consider as being up there amongst the greatest GP drives?
I don't want this to turn into a debate about how great some drivers are or are not (so maybe the name of the thread needs changing); I mean no disrespect to the drivers, I just want to highlight great drives by people who don't usually spring to mind. As a starting point, we can assume that all World Champions are great (plus likes of Moss and GV) and see what happens! First that come to my mind are J-P Beltoise - Monaco 1972 R Barrichello - Silverstone 2003 (but they don't have to be wins) |
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2 Feb 2004, 11:57 (Ref:859963)
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Interesting subject - obviously the definition of 'great' is subjective, because certain champions don't have CVs as impressive as the guys they raced against - for example, was Hunt really better than Peterson? Or Hulme better than Ickx?
Barrichello has probably put in enough great drives over the years to make you wonder what his true status is - Donington 1993, Monaco 1997 and Austria 2002 as well as Silverstone. Alesi put in some mightily impressive drives on his day as well - France 1989 and USA 1990 are the stuff of legends, he was desperately unlucky at Monza 1994, and also quite awesome there in 1997, where only a slow pitstop cost him a win in one of the dullest races in living memory. Fisichella at Spa 1997 is another one - no one else could live iwth Mcihael that day, and he was only in a Jordan. There are surely many more, especially from before my time. |
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2 Feb 2004, 12:08 (Ref:859978)
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Panis, Monaco 1996. Crazy race, but he was flying.
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2 Feb 2004, 12:18 (Ref:859992)
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Cappeli in France, 1990?
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2 Feb 2004, 12:36 (Ref:860018)
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A few memorables:
Carlos Pace - Austria 73 George Follmer - Spain 73 Andrea de Crasheris - Spa 87, Detroit 88, Montreal 89 Olivier Panis - Monaco 96 ( a real gem) Martin Brundle - Detroit 84 (plus a few others as well) Mika Salo - Hockenheim 99 (in the borrowed Ferrari) Pedro Rodriguez - Kyalami 67 (I think this little guy was a great) Stefano Modena - Canada 91 |
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2 Feb 2004, 12:41 (Ref:860021)
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Rubens at Hockenheim in the rain... (which year was it?)
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2 Feb 2004, 12:57 (Ref:860038)
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GP Driver meeting - Coulthard to Taku: "I wouldn´t have tried that move on Barrichello." Taku to Coulthard: "I know..."
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2 Feb 2004, 12:58 (Ref:860043)
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Yeah, concur with a couple of others: Panis at Monaco in '96.
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2 Feb 2004, 13:06 (Ref:860059)
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I would say non-greats as in underdogs
Damon Hill - Hungary 1997 Takuma Sato - Suzuka 2002 Jean Alesi - Nurburgring 1995 Ivan Capelli - France 1990 Aguri Suzuki - Suzuka 1990 Olivier Grouillard - Mexico 1992 (well, he did pass a Ferrari on the main straight) Andrea de Cesaris - Spa 1991 Heinz Harald Frentzen - Spain 2002 Jos Verstappen - Malaysia 2001 |
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GP Driver meeting - Coulthard to Taku: "I wouldn´t have tried that move on Barrichello." Taku to Coulthard: "I know..."
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2 Feb 2004, 15:32 (Ref:860214)
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A lot of those weren't that great. Things like Modena Canada 1991, De Cesaris Detroit 1988 and Spa 1991 and Suzuki Suzuka 1990 were made to look good only because so many others around them broke down. In terms of qualifying and racing pace,t hey weren't much better than usual.
Capelli deserves a mention in this category, not only for France 1990 but also for Spain and Japan 1988. At that time he was seen as a future superstar, but it became clear that it was Newey's brilliant designs, more than his ability, which produced those results. John Love in the 1967 South African race is worthy of a mention. It's reported on at www.f1rejects.com, and although the circumstances were in his favour (he knew the track and none of the regulars did, msot of the cars were 1966-spec, no Ferraris) he still did a mighty job and deserved the win. |
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2 Feb 2004, 15:56 (Ref:860233)
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Gerhard Berger - Hockenheim 1997 (I think) the weekend after his Dad died.
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2 Feb 2004, 17:54 (Ref:860308)
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And his first race back from sinus problems! Great drive from Gerhard, stuck it to Flavio that day!
Luca Badoer, Nurburgring 1999 was a good drive. |
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2 Feb 2004, 17:54 (Ref:860309)
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Yeah that was a good drive by Berger. You're right. I agree.
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2 Feb 2004, 18:07 (Ref:860323)
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even though he was lucky Webber in his first race Aussie 02.
Andrea de Cesaris - Spa 1991 i wouldnt really call Rubens an underdog... Panis in 96 Monaco... crazy win!! |
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2 Feb 2004, 18:19 (Ref:860339)
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One that definitely deserves its place on this list, but hasn't yet been mentioned...
Stefan Bellof, Monaco 1984 Such a tragedy that fate would intervene to abruptly end the career and life of one of F1's stars that never was... 
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2 Feb 2004, 19:19 (Ref:860440)
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Considering Webber nursed the car for the last 2 laps in 02 that makes it a great drive.What a lot of people don't know is the transmission failed on return to the pits after the race.The car didn't make it back to the pit bay.One must also take into account it was his first ever drive in F1.
I know i am biased but it was good and the crowd reaction after the race was amazing.The day he wins the AGP will invoke a riot. The Grumpy1 
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2 Feb 2004, 19:33 (Ref:860468)
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Satoru Nakajima in the wet in Adelaide in 1989.
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2 Feb 2004, 22:39 (Ref:860752)
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Think about Panis at Brazil or Montmeló 97, true, the tires were in his favour but he really motored it.
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2 Feb 2004, 22:57 (Ref:860765)
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Damon Hill in the rain at Japan 1994 when he beat Schumacher fair and square. Also Takuma Sato at the same track in 2002.
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2 Feb 2004, 23:01 (Ref:860770)
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Takuma Sato, Suzuka 2003.
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2 Feb 2004, 23:04 (Ref:860774)
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Is that the one where he was charging up through the field in the wet in his Minardi and got up to around 5th when his car broke? |
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3 Feb 2004, 02:36 (Ref:860946)
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4th!!!
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3 Feb 2004, 04:46 (Ref:861012)
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Fisichella in last year's brazilian GP.. A fantastic drive by a 'Non-great'..
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3 Feb 2004, 06:43 (Ref:861093)
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Some other inspired Bellof drives in 84 included South Africa where he came from 22nd on the grid to 14th on the first lap and then passed Senna (who had a turbo with about 100HP more). A loose wheel put him out. Zolder, Imola and Dijon were also sensational efforts. Typically, he blew a gearbox at Dijon trying to stay with the turbo cars. And at Detroit, he and Brundle came storming through the field as well until he clouted a wall. In 85 in the rain at Estoril, at Detroit again and outqualifying Brundle by about 7 or 8 spots when he first got his turbo engine. Austria was a good drive, too, until he ran out of juice. |
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3 Feb 2004, 07:24 (Ref:861108)
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Patrese Monaco 1982; Barrichello Canada 2000 (let MS win but could have passed him very easily in the rain)
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