Panoz Abruzzi

**joeb** · 2 Jun 2010, 18:37 (Ref:2703369)

Thought this deserved its own thread.

New teaser images released:
http://www.americanlemans.com/primar...cat=news|14832

so combine that with the rear shots already released:
http://www.autoweek.com/article/2010...NEWS/100509980

and you can get an idea of what the car will look like. Murphy mentioned some problems with the car during construction, but it looks like it will be making the trip to LeMans for the unveiling. The question is will it just be for looks, or will there be a working car on display?

JAG · 2 Jun 2010, 21:31 (Ref:2703477)

So this will be developed into a GT2 car?

With the Saleen and Panoz GTLM on their way out a new US GT car would be welcome.

I guess all wil be revealed at Le Mans, not just this particular car, but the future of the GT classes as a whole.

ger80 · 2 Jun 2010, 21:40 (Ref:2703480)

you mean no more GT1?

fieldodreams79 · 2 Jun 2010, 22:01 (Ref:2703491)

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeb

Thought this deserved its own thread.

New teaser images released:
http://www.americanlemans.com/primary1.php?cat=news|14832

so combine that with the rear shots already released:
http://www.autoweek.com/article/2010...NEWS/100509980

and you can get an idea of what the car will look like. Murphy mentioned some problems with the car during construction, but it looks like it will be making the trip to LeMans for the unveiling. The question is will it just be for looks, or will there be a working car on display?

well done, joeb.

i really hope Murphy's questioning if the car would in fact make it to Le Mans this June was pure Bear pessimism.

i'm excited about a new GT from Jackson County.

Cuttlefish · 2 Jun 2010, 22:38 (Ref:2703503)

Looks sort of like a cross between a TVR and the old "Batmobile." Hopefully someone (PTG?) will let the beast race!

JAG · 2 Jun 2010, 23:46 (Ref:2703528)

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Originally Posted by ger80

you mean no more GT1?

That, but also how GT2 will be developed, perhaps it's time for a GT2+ category to fill the GT1 void.

Push the factories into this class and allow them to develop hybrid technology.

Cars like the Ferrari 458 and Mclaren MP4 are pushing 600bhp in road going form, GT2 was originally for road cars putting out little more than 400bhp.

**joeb** · 3 Jun 2010, 01:22 (Ref:2703555)

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG

So this will be developed into a GT2 car?

With the Saleen and Panoz GTLM on their way out a new US GT car would be welcome.

I guess all wil be revealed at Le Mans, not just this particular car, but the future of the GT classes as a whole.

I thought it was going to be a GT2 car, so I guess they have to build a few road cars to get the thing homologated first.

Anybody know what the minimum build number for GT2 cars is these days?

Fogelhund · 3 Jun 2010, 02:07 (Ref:2703572)

Homologation special.

MulsanneMike · 3 Jun 2010, 02:48 (Ref:2703580)

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

Homologation special.

Indeed. I seem to recall the reason the Esperante was so heavily based upon the Mustang was to get around road certificate issues (emissions primarily). What's the Abruzzi based on and how long before the car is road certified?

HORNDAWG · 3 Jun 2010, 03:47 (Ref:2703586)

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Originally Posted by joeb

I thought it was going to be a GT2 car, so I guess they have to build a few road cars to get the thing homologated first.

Anybody know what the minimum build number for GT2 cars is these days?

Rules say 25, with the max of 1 racer per 9 street.

L.P.

Canada ALMS fan · 3 Jun 2010, 05:48 (Ref:2703608)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

Rules say 25, with the max of 1 racer per 9 street.
L.P.

Perhaps he has already taken deposits on at least that many???

HORNDAWG · 3 Jun 2010, 07:06 (Ref:2703644)

Quote:

Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

Rules say 25, with the max of 1 racer per 9 street.
L.P.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Canada ALMS fan

Perhaps he has already taken deposits on at least that many???

Hmm, I would imagine he can buy that many himself, as school cars! But hey, he does not know what he is doing, does he?!

L.P.

**joeb** · 3 Jun 2010, 17:12 (Ref:2703961)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

Hmm, I would imagine he can buy that many himself, as school cars! But hey, he does not know what he is doing, does he?!

L.P.

I like it, buy all of your own cars!

Purist · 3 Jun 2010, 18:34 (Ref:2704039)

Well, doesn't Dan Panoz own the carbuilder side of things, while Don has the motorsport holdings?

Either way, I'm looking forward to seeing this thing, especially if it makes it onto the track.

HORNDAWG · 3 Jun 2010, 18:58 (Ref:2704066)

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Originally Posted by Purist

Well, doesn't Dan Panoz own the carbuilder side of things, while Don has the motorsport holdings?

Either way, I'm looking forward to seeing this thing, especially if it makes it onto the track.

I'd suggest, that Dan has/does as much as Don lets him.

L.P.

MulsanneMike · 3 Jun 2010, 23:12 (Ref:2704230)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

I'd suggest, that Dan has/does as much as Don lets him.

L.P.

Don's involvement in PMSG and PAD over the last 5-7 years has actually been minimal, which is unfortunate. Had Don been more involved I dare say PMSG wouldn't have peaked with the 2004 Indy 500 win. But even that is arguable as there are some that say Don killed the IRL program. It's a shame, as PMSG was, at one point, the only North American chassis builder capable of building upper-tier race cars.

fieldodreams79 · 4 Jun 2010, 03:48 (Ref:2704283)

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Originally Posted by MulsanneMike

Don's involvement in PMSG and PAD over the last 5-7 years has actually been minimal, which is unfortunate. Had Don been more involved I dare say PMSG wouldn't have peaked with the 2004 Indy 500 win. But even that is arguable as there are some that say Don killed the IRL program. It's a shame, as PMSG was, at one point, the only North American chassis builder capable of building upper-tier race cars.

then is the Aburzzi a product from PMSG circling the wagons, so to speak, and an attempted resurgence back into racing with a return their roots?

Fogelhund · 4 Jun 2010, 10:52 (Ref:2704430)

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Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

then is the Aburzzi a product from PMSG circling the wagons, so to speak, and an attempted resurgence back into racing with a return their roots?

If what I've heard is correct, PMSG has pretty much sub-contracted all of this work out.

Jonerz · 4 Jun 2010, 12:55 (Ref:2704508)

I'm not sure I'm going to like the front fascia. I'll still chear for it in competition though. They've gone from Ford to Chebby power? Due to friendly relations over the LMPC deal perhaps?

Chris

fieldodreams79 · 4 Jun 2010, 18:31 (Ref:2704701)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fogelhund

If what I've heard is correct, PMSG has pretty much sub-contracted all of this work out.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonerz

I'm not sure I'm going to like the front fascia. I'll still chear for it in competition though. They've gone from Ford to Chebby power? Due to friendly relations over the LMPC deal perhaps?

Chris

i guess, according to some sources, that Multimatic had a hand in the work, but i haven't heard about the Don car wearing a Bowtie. what's going on with Elan Power?

Jonerz · 4 Jun 2010, 20:37 (Ref:2704771)

I just got the impression it was using a Snorevette drive train via the latest Murph.

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Originally Posted by murphythebear.com About Abruzzi

Enter the Don, who decided to use that second generation chassis along with a Corvette drive train for his Abruzzi.

That's final?

Chris

**joeb** · 5 Jun 2010, 15:32 (Ref:2705087)

I wonder if they are using the same drive train as the p&m vettes?

WMUCarGuy · 5 Jun 2010, 16:01 (Ref:2705097)

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Originally Posted by joeb

I wonder if they are using the same drive train as the p&m vettes?

If the car has LS power of some sort, which appears likely, they wouldn't have the exact same motors as the C6.Rs get. A racing version of the new Panoz would probably have a similar engine, but not the same one.

MulsanneMike · 5 Jun 2010, 19:29 (Ref:2705184)

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

If what I've heard is correct, PMSG has pretty much sub-contracted all of this work out.

From what I understand, most of the work is being done in-house at EMT and PAD, for now. How the first-off prototype car is built might not resemble at all how the car will be series built, so I wouldn't be surprised if the players change by the time the car is built in capacity (assuming it gets that far).

As to LS power, again, that's a way to piggy back onto GM's emission electronics if I recall correctly.

JAG · 6 Jun 2010, 18:16 (Ref:2705609)

Many small UK sportscar manufactuers buy-in engines from major manufactuers particularly if they want to sell cars in the US.

Is it a sure thing the Panoz will be in the ALMS next season?

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