Victorian state titles

greenracer · 16 Jan 2007, 03:34 (Ref:1816194)

Can someone please tell me if cams & assa have made up to join forces in running the vic state titles or has assa taken over ? good to see all the victorian tracks being used in one series.

Adam Ronke · 16 Jan 2007, 03:56 (Ref:1816198)

3 rounds at Calder - AASA
3 rounds at Winton - AASA
2 Rounds at Phillip Island - CAMS
2 Rounds at Sandown - CAMS

PVDA · 16 Jan 2007, 07:04 (Ref:1816243)

So that means in theory round one of the new combined series will be at Calder on February 17th in the form of a one day twilight meeting

Just in case, I believe they've allowed for Sunday as a rain day.

Starts at some ungodly hour of the morning (anything before 12pm is too early for me) and is due to finish around 10:30pm that evening. Suitable breaks for officials have been included in the programme.

Anyone found a link or links which explain who is running at what round and so on yet??

Trevor · 16 Jan 2007, 08:38 (Ref:1816280)

go to the VMRC website.

VMRC Website

Oh, and BTW the 1st round will be run in part at Calder on the National Circuit and in part on the Club Circuit.

blaarg · 16 Jan 2007, 08:57 (Ref:1816303)

It's about bloody time.

Trevor · 16 Jan 2007, 09:43 (Ref:1816346)

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Originally Posted by blaarg

It's about bloody time.

Which part?

Silver 3 · 16 Jan 2007, 22:17 (Ref:1817008)

To summarize what is happening-- the categories are running their State Championships at all 4 circuits -- regardless of whose jurisdiction. Not all categories are running at all meetings---- each category has it's own program (ie choosing which 5,6,7,8 events to program)that it is supporting. It is as close as commonsense could achieve at this time-- certainly major step in the right direction.

greenracer · 16 Jan 2007, 22:42 (Ref:1817018)

the club circuit is being used after the the tea break.what I was mainly referring to which body will be responsible for signing of licences ,will both be licences be recognized and which log book do we use.

Silver 3 · 16 Jan 2007, 22:54 (Ref:1817038)

Someone correct me if I am wrong--- Cams sanctioned event you need their documentation.For AASA event- they will accept both forms of docs.

Aquarius · 16 Jan 2007, 23:02 (Ref:1817051)

I believe there could be a break through, I think CAMS will start accepting AASA signatures in the near future.

As you well know AASA has always accepted CAMS signatures, this will make life a lot easier.

Silver 3 · 18 Jan 2007, 08:49 (Ref:1818214)

Seeing will be believing. Some from C---s are not too happy about that idea.Irrespective of the difficulties with the detail issues is this a huge step forward for motor racing and all those that actually care about that ought to be delighted/Lets hope it can achieve the potential it has.

Silver 3 · 21 Jan 2007, 00:55 (Ref:1820639)

Staggering the lack of comment here,given all the animosity and dispute that has taken place. The competitors have started a solution process that the self styled supposed "leaders" of our sport could not achieve. While it has been at it's ugliest in Victoria it is the motor racing equivelent of the rank and file of the Liberal & Labour parties merging to form a government!

Trevor · 21 Jan 2007, 07:54 (Ref:1820725)

It is good to see motor racing developing, happening and being inclusive in Victoria sin't it.

BTW John, I don't think the 10 rounds would have happened if the all "leaders" hadn't agreed to it, do you? I think they deserve a bit more credit than you are giving themt.

Silver 3 · 21 Jan 2007, 09:22 (Ref:1820743)

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Originally Posted by Big_Trev

It is good to see motor racing developing, happening and being inclusive in Victoria sin't it.

BTW John, I don't think the 10 rounds would have happened if the all "leaders" hadn't agreed to it, do you? I think they deserve a bit more credit than you are giving themt.

I wasn't referring to those at the coal face(ie those that actually get stuck with implementing the unworkable) I meant the chair polishers at Dandy Rd and their apologists.
All credit to the competitor leadership group led by John Morriss and particularly to Mick Ronke representing Winton and Calder .Some of the SRS executive have been very supportive also ( I won't name them as they be in the firing line anyway and I would be the last to flame that) . Virtually everyone of the people involved are also Cams members--- it is not the rank and file that are the problem.It is the "leaders" ( I am sure you understand I am not using that word as a compliment!

inpitlane · 24 Jan 2007, 13:34 (Ref:1824657)

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Originally Posted by Aquarius

I believe there could be a break through, I think CAMS will start accepting AASA signatures in the near future.

Absolutley no way according to CAMS new Victorian State Manager Steven Daws when we interviewed him today.
As far as CAMS is concerned the 2007 Victoria State series will be 4 rounds held between Sandown and PI and whatever the competitors want to do outside of that is purely their business.
He did say that CAMS accredited meetings are for CAMS accredited drivers and officials and anybody doing the "combined" series will need to have a valid CAMS licence to compete at those CAMS rounds.
The interview may be on In Pit Lane next Tuesday or the following if I can get the editing of the Sandown round finished over the next 4 days.
Once I get both the Sandown Historic and Formula SAE podcasts out of the way I'll post the full Interview on the podcast.

1200Datto27 · 24 Jan 2007, 14:41 (Ref:1824742)

So they have kept their heads in the sand with their hands over their ears going La La Lah, we can't hear the drivers/officials/spectators saying that they want the two parties to work together.

hml2777 · 24 Jan 2007, 20:46 (Ref:1825074)

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Originally Posted by inpitlane

Absolutley no way according to CAMS new Victorian State Manager Steven Daws when we interviewed him today.
As far as CAMS is concerned the 2007 Victoria State series will be 4 rounds held between Sandown and PI and whatever the competitors want to do outside of that is purely their business.
He did say that CAMS accredited meetings are for CAMS accredited drivers and officials and anybody doing the "combined" series will need to have a valid CAMS licence to compete at those CAMS rounds.

I think it is great he has come out publicly and said this, thiS is directly riding in the face of what the competitors want.

All this time CAMS are portraying Bob Jane and Mick Ronke as the baddies in this business, but now we have a CAMS State Manager stand up and show the true colours (unlike his predecessor).

I hope everyone is taking notice of this, AASA are trying to provide a cheaper alternative to CAMS and now the drivers are talking with their feet and CAMS can't cope, so what is the best form of defence - attack UNREAL, CAMS will be totally responsible for their own down fall, but they will try to blame others.

GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF THE SAND CAMS AND SMELL THE ROSES -

Dirk · 24 Jan 2007, 21:18 (Ref:1825132)

Very poor attitude in my opinion on behalf of CAMS. They are meant to be looking after the best interests of OUR sport not THEIR sport. They seem to see it as their sport and nobody else can touch it. It is silly really and a little bit sad, but CAMS will be the ones that bring CAMS undone.

Silver 3 · 24 Jan 2007, 21:42 (Ref:1825169)

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Originally Posted by inpitlane

Absolutley no way according to CAMS new Victorian State Manager Steven Daws when we interviewed him today.
As far as CAMS is concerned the 2007 Victoria State series will be 4 rounds held between Sandown and PI and whatever the competitors want to do outside of that is purely their business.
He did say that CAMS accredited meetings are for CAMS accredited drivers and officials and anybody doing the "combined" series will need to have a valid CAMS licence to compete at those CAMS rounds.
The interview may be on In Pit Lane next Tuesday or the following if I can get the editing of the Sandown round finished over the next 4 days.
Once I get both the Sandown Historic and Formula SAE podcasts out of the way I'll post the full Interview on the podcast.

The point above all else that needs to be clearly noted is that what has been achieved for competitors is a State Championship that goes to all 4 circuits and start the path to actually have a say in their destiny.
Nearly everyone involved are members of Cams via one method or another.It becomes a matter of time before the penny will drop.
Realistically-- to expect Cams to recognise other documentation is premature, even if the will was there the beauracratic aspects could not move that fast. What matters is the amalgamation works in practical terms(and it will) so the aspect of the"evil empire" disappears and the best interests of competitors is served.
To keep slagging Cams off in all of this is a basic waste of time and diverting attention from a huge positive in what we should all be pleased about-- partial common sense in achieving a bigger and better Victorian Championship. So let's get the focus on the racing and not the politics .

Dirk · 24 Jan 2007, 21:52 (Ref:1825174)

I certainly am not slagging off CAMS, I am saying that in my opinion it is a pitty that they cant see what the effect of their pettiness is having on the sport.

Silver 3 · 24 Jan 2007, 22:04 (Ref:1825191)

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Originally Posted by Dirk

I certainly am not slagging off CAMS, I am saying that in my opinion it is a pitty that they cant see what the effect of their pettiness is having on the sport.

I was not having a go at anyone in particular-- it is the princaple. It is generally acknowledged that the Cams hierachy is divorced from reality. What I believe matters now is to help the Victorian Championship become a runaway success.To do that -we need to focus on the positive aspects and that success will place even more pressure on those with their collective heads in the sand.

Dirk · 24 Jan 2007, 22:12 (Ref:1825201)

I dont really know what is going on behind the scenes with all of this, but, is there anyway that if CAMS don't do the right thing can the other 4 rounds at PI and Sandown be run under AASA. I mean becuase they are not AASA tracks would that matter?

Silver 3 · 24 Jan 2007, 22:38 (Ref:1825234)

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Originally Posted by Dirk

I dont really know what is going on behind the scenes with all of this, but, is there anyway that if CAMS don't do the right thing can the other 4 rounds at PI and Sandown be run under AASA. I mean becuase they are not AASA tracks would that matter?

What Cams do or do not do is irrelevent-- that is THE point. Any track or more accurately the "Promoter" of the meeting can decide to use whatever "service provider" they choose .There is nothing stopping meetings at Sandown or Phillip Island (or anywhere else) being run under AASA.

Dirk · 24 Jan 2007, 22:43 (Ref:1825241)

Ok, so it comes back to the competitor group to make the decision really.

It might come down to the CAMS series being 4 rounds around the CAMS office car park!

PVDA · 25 Jan 2007, 04:45 (Ref:1825370)

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Originally Posted by Dirk

It might come down to the CAMS series being 4 rounds around the CAMS office car park!

I don't think the car park is big enough to fit the three cars that would be left competing in the series & the stewards, handful of flaggies and have enough room to actuall move

As for my thoughts on this whole saga

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