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17 Apr 2007, 16:10 (Ref:1893936) | #1 | |
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Chevron B36
I think it would be a great idea to have some information on the Chevron B36 which is missing in this database! I know that 21 have been built.
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18 Apr 2007, 09:05 (Ref:1894525) | #2 | ||
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OK, so let's see if we can develop this a bit on the main forum. If any real data/history is fothcoming, we can put it back into the Chassis Archive.
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21 Apr 2007, 12:58 (Ref:1896981) | #3 | |
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most famous result for B36 was class win for the Mogil Motors car at LM in 1979 driven by Robin Smith Tony Charnell Richard Jones
Raly Bellm/Roger Andreason James weaver/eddie arundel ( duke of Norfolk) raced B36 2 litre cars in Thundersports ROC team in france raced 3 cars over many seasons with Chrysler Simca motors at Le Mans and WSC events Japan had a few B36 cars racing in Grand Chamiopn long distance races In usa the B36 raced in the Can Am championship 1 car was Mort Platt Chevron B36 [B36-76-06] a few cars race din Italain sports car series and mountain races some B31 cars had b36 bodies fitted to race as later models 1 car raced in IMSA GTP see here for a foto www. alex62.typepad.com/imsablog/2006/06/index. The first GTP car to appear at Sebring was the famous Chevron B36 Alfa Romeo driven by Del Taylor. Now in Historics in usa there are around 5 cars racing in EEC they are too new for the Orwell WSM events as they are 1977 cars but expect to see some in CER events soon as they have lifted the cut off date to 1980 cars I believe B36#1 has just been sold from USA to Canada ex italian team car im told |
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23 Apr 2007, 12:02 (Ref:1898487) | #4 | |
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And one of the Roc chassi was bodied with a sthemo body to run in Group C at Le Mans. The man who did that was also the one who modified a Lenham Chassis in Le Mans 76 : José Thibault
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23 Apr 2007, 14:23 (Ref:1898616) | #5 | |
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do u have a link to a foto?
what was the car called? |
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24 Apr 2007, 05:35 (Ref:1899050) | #6 | |
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yes i do my friend :
in 1987 http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...-06-14-113.jpg he ran the race in 1988, he was not accepted at scruteenering http://forums.motorlegend.com/vb/sho...ght=CHEVRON+TJ It is believed that the body was made with some part of the first Sthemo, the chassis was Chevron B36 and the engine was a Roc. If anyone know where is this car now, it body would be great, even if its with a B36 b Last edited by AMICALEMANS; 24 Apr 2007 at 05:39. |
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24 Apr 2007, 20:38 (Ref:1899628) | #7 | |
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there is also a car in Italy with alfa engine looking similar
i will get more info tomorrow |
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25 Apr 2007, 18:32 (Ref:1900348) | #8 | |
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B36 Fortina with lancia LC1 turbo engine
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25 Apr 2007, 19:37 (Ref:1900390) | #9 | |
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Any pics ?
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26 Apr 2007, 06:31 (Ref:1900638) | #10 | |
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26 Apr 2007, 10:32 (Ref:1900813) | #11 | |
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thanks for the pics Fausto.
This car is a B36 wit a roof The car from Le Mans is a rebodied B36 (with a sthemo ? body which was a rebodied TOJ !) |
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26 Apr 2007, 14:44 (Ref:1900976) | #12 | ||
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Another Chevron based C2 car was French built Isolia, and it used a Sthemo bodywork too... http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...-09-01-107.jpg |
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26 Apr 2007, 18:32 (Ref:1901116) | #13 | |
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What a great picture! it show that this car IS the Chevron seen at Le Mans in 86 and 87. And José Thibault put a Roc in it (it was easy with a B36 chassis) So he did not made the body, he just puchase the car from ....Jean-Claude Ferrarin (F). Lucien Rossiaud (F) is a well known man in the Rondeau adventure.
i dont remember exactly about Sthemo, but i rea somewhere it was a Toj Chassis (just because Striebieg was racing a toj in some event); i will dig for that... |
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26 Apr 2007, 18:48 (Ref:1901133) | #14 | |
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Just look at this one !
http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...-09-02-085.jpg It is he 2nd Sthemo. I know that the first one in 83 at Le Mans made some Hillclimb racing during the end of the eigthies. And most people was saying that this car was based on a Toj chassis. So the 2nd one was maybe a Chevron B36, then th Arolia and then the car seen at Le Mans with José Thibault under the name Chevron roc. |
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26 Apr 2007, 18:59 (Ref:1901141) | #15 | |
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So look at this one it is the 84 sthemo seen at le Mans
http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...-09-02-085.jpg The 83 was known to be based on a TOJ chassis and ran french hillclimb in the middle of the eighties. So the first could be a Toj basis and the second a Chevron basis which became Arolia and the the Chevron seen at Le Mans in 85 (and in 86 at scruteenering |
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26 Apr 2007, 19:46 (Ref:1901176) | #16 | ||
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27 Apr 2007, 06:24 (Ref:1901427) | #17 | |
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So,
We have 3 cars with the same Bodywork : The first Sthemo in 83, the Isolia in 85 and 86 (known as based on B36 chassis) and the Chevron TJ Roc (based also on B36) in 87 and 88. Sportscaruniverse told that the first Sthemo was an original chassis (? and why not a B36 frame, just because it was cheap at these days) with some Mossinger Toj components. What i suppose is that Ferrarin bought the bodyworks from Sthemo (and maybe the chassis) to built the Isolia with a 10 years old B36 chassis. He ran Spa in 85, Nurburg, brands and Spa in 86 (ran with a BMW L4 and then a DFV). Then the car "disappear" ! In june 87, a man call José Thibault (a kind of "gangster-driver") entered a Chevron-Roc with a modified-sthemo body. I think he purchased the car from Ferrarin, and in fact, it was the Isolia fitted with a Roc engines. This car did some laps in the 87 24hours of Le Mans. In 88, he tried to enter the car as a TJ 01, but ACO do not accept the entry. End of the story. I read on another english forum, that the bodyshell of an old sthemo-isolia-chevron is in a junkyard in France. And i think that the chassis is know under a B36 bodywork. According to sportscarsuniverse, the 2nd Sthemo was based on Toj gr6 Chassis, ran Le Mans and then ran in french hillclimb. |
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27 Apr 2007, 07:12 (Ref:1901453) | #18 | |
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Just to ad that Hubert Striebig the ST of Sthemo is well know
http://www.routiers.com/sejtbases/ro...r0774ent01.pdf I have to call him one of these day... |
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5 May 2007, 13:30 (Ref:1907118) | #19 | |
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B36 Chassis Numbers
Good to see the thread started for this one.
Wondering if there is any other info available on other chassis numbers and any relevant facts beyond the re-bodied specials already discussed. |
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29 May 2007, 07:18 (Ref:1923456) | #20 | ||
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Now moved back into the archive. Must be much more info to come, though, I think!
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30 Oct 2007, 18:18 (Ref:2055212) | #21 | ||
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Chassis B36/76 /01 I believe was the Targa winning car of Avv. Restivo which I bought from Vito Venninata in Ragusa and sold to los Angeles. According to Vin Malkie there is a B36 with the same chassis no: 02 but I seriously doubt it is the real car. Many of the Eris Tondelli cars which came to Italy seem to have emerged in other parts of the world only to have the original turn up in Italy where they were never faked. I see that Tondelli or his son are new competeing in an Osella PA9 in hill climbs so there might be some more info to come. regards Stephen in Italy |
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30 Oct 2007, 21:22 (Ref:2055380) | #22 | |
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with time passing is the car more a Fortina Gp C car or Chevron??!!!
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31 Oct 2007, 07:22 (Ref:2055592) | #23 | |
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With time passing the car has definitely remained a B36. In fact about the only change is the coupe top as the rear section and wing is B36.The front body and the tub are virtually untouched.It still runs on original suspension and wheels.
Fortina wasn't a constructor but his idea was to offer a conversion to enable penurius racers to go group C racing. Cheers Stephen |
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31 Oct 2007, 08:03 (Ref:2055615) | #24 | |
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Yes i appreciate its originality but what i meant is it a Chevron b36 or as it has been so long in Fortina spec is that its "history" and identity now?
as a B36 it was racing for what 2-3 years? Like some of the 2 litre can am cars in usa -say a march 782 is converted to can am in 1980 and today its still in that spec -is it an F2 car or a can am car after 20 odd years? |
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31 Oct 2007, 10:36 (Ref:2055723) | #25 | |
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I suspose it might be a question of which history is most interesting. Chassis no 1 was the Targa Florio winner ,but later was used in hillclimbs of little consequence in Italy. As a Fortina modified B36 i think it may have only done a race or 2 but probably a great many more as a B36. I will however try to find out. I certainly would rather have a B36 than a Fortina!!!
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