Todt, not Toad.

27 Jun 2002, 08:26 (Ref:322699)

While I understand that some people may have lost respect for Jean Todt, does that mean having to resort to childish name calling?

**Peter Mallett** · 27 Jun 2002, 08:57 (Ref:322734)

Mr Aussiefan.

I can sympathise with this but I think perhaps you take things a bit too seriously. We have MS known variously as Mickey-the-shoe or TGF. Ralf is known by some as "Halfie". Somebody once referred to Rubens as Elmer Fudd, and now I see him referred to as "Barely Fellow".

DC was known as "Cubehead" but that seems to have dropped from favour. JPM is referred to as the "Great Juan" or TCF. I'm often referring to Williams as "Team Willy", McLaren as "Macaroon". So, whilst I suspect people have other names for F1 characters, the one's I've mentioned are those I see more of. I can't believe that these nicknames are meant to disguise anything hurtful. They are just a means of identifying the various people.

As to Jean Todt. Well, the English always refer to the French as "frogs" due to an historic xenophobic dislike of certain French cuisine (not one I share I hasten to add). Ergo, it is easy to associate Todt with "Toad".

I fully expect somebody to disagree with me but hey-ho its only my opinion.

Airhead · 27 Jun 2002, 09:06 (Ref:322739)

Peter,

Some people think Ralf is useless too!

Jukebox · 27 Jun 2002, 09:13 (Ref:322745)

You have a point there AussieFan, i used to refer Rubens as Poopens but a policeman in there cautioned me rather harshly. His reasons was that it serves as an example to others on name callings.

But then, if you want to impose something then make it official rather than picking on someone when all this while name callings have been like a regular thing in there.

Am i being childish? if i was, then i've stopped name callings

cybersdorf · 27 Jun 2002, 09:15 (Ref:322746)

Todt - Toad, there are worse ones out there...
I have heard Stephane Ratel (the FIA GT supremo) being referred to as "Ratbag".

TimD · 27 Jun 2002, 09:28 (Ref:322753)

Aussiefan, thanks for the heads-up. I'm not sure that I'd necessarily want to legislate over that particular one - it is as Peter says, an obvious bit of xenophobic history - but I don't like it, and I won't use it.

And I do rather think that it says more about the people writing it than it does about Jean Todt himself.

I'd forgotten the Rubens Barrichello/Elmer Fudd comparison. Recollections if I recall correctly, of a routine involving "Be vewwy vewwy quiet - I'm hunting wascally McWarens..."

**Peter Mallett** · 27 Jun 2002, 10:35 (Ref:322795)

Actually Tiom, I believe RB gained that epithet after his "tears on the podium" episode. I couldn't possibly comment on why he got it. BUT IT WASN'T ME GUV"

27 Jun 2002, 12:13 (Ref:322835)

Ok, I know some people will tell me to 'lighten up' and all that and I'm not against nicknames, some are completely harmless, it's just that I find some names, which are used in pure spite and hate, go too far.

**Peter Mallett** · 27 Jun 2002, 12:17 (Ref:322841)

Well, you could always voice (state?) your displeasure to the person who uses the nickname.

Failing that you could ignore the offending post. I do that with certain posters but it goes back to when I was an official.

EvilPumpkin · 27 Jun 2002, 12:31 (Ref:322857)

I don't use it in spite and hate - I just think it's funny as he's kind of toadish when you look at him. But if it really bothers you, I won't use it.

*shrug*

Morris 1100 · 27 Jun 2002, 12:39 (Ref:322863)

He was known as the Toad when he was at Peugeot and he is still known as the Toad, He will be known as the Toad for a long time to come.

cybersdorf · 27 Jun 2002, 12:49 (Ref:322870)

Todt of Todt Hall

**Stephen Green** · 27 Jun 2002, 13:15 (Ref:322880)

No one's mentioned Bernie Eccleslug either yet. I wonder why?

cybersdorf · 27 Jun 2002, 14:07 (Ref:322886)

Isn't "Bernie" bad enough??

The Beer Baron · 27 Jun 2002, 14:23 (Ref:322891)

Toad is fine & acceptable

freud · 28 Jun 2002, 03:31 (Ref:323278)

Yeah, 'Toad' is actually his nickname. Everybody at Ferrari including TGF calls him 'Toad'... no big deal

Morris 1100 · 28 Jun 2002, 08:39 (Ref:323384)

Maybe Aussiefan fan would prefer an Aussie nickname, place an "ie" on the end of an existing name like:
Dickie = Dick Johnson
Brockie = Peter Brock

and now Toadie

R · 28 Jun 2002, 10:31 (Ref:323452)

If it is his accepted nickname, then I see no reason why we should have any problem with it either.

Red · 28 Jun 2002, 11:14 (Ref:323479)

But is it accepted?

AndyF · 28 Jun 2002, 11:21 (Ref:323482)

If you start to limit it too much, you will have to get rid of all nicknames altogether. Schu or TGF is much quicker than writing Michael Schumacher each time!

Red · 28 Jun 2002, 11:31 (Ref:323491)

Yes, I see, Toad is much quicker that Todt.

EERO · 28 Jun 2002, 18:30 (Ref:323836)

Quote:

Originally posted by Jukebox
...I used to refer Rubens as Poopens but a policeman in there cautioned me rather harshly. His reasons was that it serves as an example to others on name callings.

Whoever could that have been??????

Jukebox · 29 Jun 2002, 02:45 (Ref:324063)

Quote:

Originally posted by EERO

Whoever could that have been??????

opps...sheriff not policeman, stupid of me

Mr V · 29 Jun 2002, 16:28 (Ref:324262)

Toad, sorry Todt is also referred to as Napolian, would that be offensive?

**Peter Mallett** · 1 Jul 2002, 07:45 (Ref:324907)

He's also referred to as "Napoleon" which would possibly be less offensive.

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