2017 TCR International Series News & Rumours

Racing Harz · 8 Sep 2016, 05:52 (Ref:3670918)

They will race 2017 at the Rustavi International Motorpark in Georgia!
http://www.touringcartimes.com/2016/...ries-calendar/

Mark0994 · 15 Oct 2016, 08:57 (Ref:3680181)

Corthals would like to drive in 2017 TCR International
http://it.motorsport.com/tcr/news/co...series-834921/

Racing Harz · 17 Oct 2016, 11:34 (Ref:3680881)

Guillermo D’Aguanno 2017 in a Alfa?
http://www.touringcartimes.com/2016/...is-alfa-romeo/

**FIRE** · 20 Oct 2016, 16:36 (Ref:3681616)

The Audi RS3 TCR will make it's racing debut this weekend. Phoenix will enter 2 cars in SP-X class of VLN. Drivers are Jordi Gene/Kelvin van der Linde and Rahel Frey/Christopher Haase. Source www.autosport.nl

Mark0994 · 21 Oct 2016, 08:07 (Ref:3681737)

Well...
http://www.touringcartimes.com/2016/...-new-rs-3-lms/
-The Audi is more expensive than the current cars in TCR, with (TCR promoter) Marcello Lotti setting the target price around the 100,000 €. Yours is 130,000€. Do you see that as a hindrance to the success of your car?
-We are selling an Audi, so our priority is to present a top product to our customers. We will have special safety features, a roof edge, a seat that is GT3-homologated, and other features that are Audi Sport standard, and which are for the customer to value. If the customer wants this premium product, we ask that price which, for us, is reasonable, given what the customer gets.
Let put parts from R18 and pump price to 200.000 because we are Audi Sport...

thlbtcc · 21 Oct 2016, 11:50 (Ref:3681756)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark0994

Well...
http://www.touringcartimes.com/2016/...-new-rs-3-lms/
-The Audi is more expensive than the current cars in TCR, with (TCR promoter) Marcello Lotti setting the target price around the 100,000 €. Yours is 130,000€. Do you see that as a hindrance to the success of your car?
-We are selling an Audi, so our priority is to present a top product to our customers. We will have special safety features, a roof edge, a seat that is GT3-homologated, and other features that are Audi Sport standard, and which are for the customer to value. If the customer wants this premium product, we ask that price which, for us, is reasonable, given what the customer gets.
Let put parts from R18 and pump price to 200.000 because we are Audi Sport...

Speed must come first, not premium-ness IMHO.

One potential advantage is the saloon body style, better straight line speed?

**FIRE** · 21 Oct 2016, 18:09 (Ref:3681805)

Some photos of the Audi:

http://autosport.nl/klasse/nieuws/28...nsterlandpokal

Valker · 21 Oct 2016, 23:41 (Ref:3681828)

Quote:

Originally Posted by thlbtcc

Speed must come first, not premium-ness IMHO.

For the sake of BoP, the speed can not come.

Bramzel · 22 Oct 2016, 12:36 (Ref:3681906)

When BoP equalizes the speed, the focus of the developers has to shift to other fields to convince potential customers. After-sales support, affordability of parts, reliability, drivability, etc. These are all fields where Audi Sport has tons of experience, and a good reputation as well.

Sodemo · 22 Oct 2016, 13:44 (Ref:3681911)

Why not just set a fuel flow limit and then let the engines be free to develop within a certain framework?

**FIRE** · 23 Oct 2016, 16:26 (Ref:3682232)

The Audi is also developed and built by SEAT Sport in Spain.
First Dutch customer is Johan Kraan Motorsport.

Speed-King · 23 Oct 2016, 16:36 (Ref:3682244)

Quote:

Originally Posted by FIRE

The Audi is also developed and built by SEAT Sport in Spain.
First Dutch customer is Johan Kraan Motorsport.

Doing the BeNe-no-longer-Lux series?

**FIRE** · 23 Oct 2016, 16:42 (Ref:3682252)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speed-King

Doing the BeNe-no-longer-Lux series?

I assume.

Or maybe for endurance races like Creventic.

PorscheFanNo1 · 24 Oct 2016, 06:52 (Ref:3682406)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sodemo

Why not just set a fuel flow limit and then let the engines be free to develop within a certain framework?

Cause free development doesnt work in this type of racing anymore. Thats why they've gone with BOP.

Sodemo · 24 Oct 2016, 08:57 (Ref:3682417)

Quote:

Originally Posted by PorscheFanNo1

Cause free development doesnt work in this type of racing anymore. Thats why they've gone with BOP.

Doesn't work from a financial standpoint or a performance standpoint?

auroan · 24 Oct 2016, 11:15 (Ref:3682451)

Quote:

Originally Posted by FIRE

The Audi is also developed and built by SEAT Sport in Spain.
First Dutch customer is Johan Kraan Motorsport.

Is it ? Do you have a link to info on this ? I was under the impression Audi-Sport ran their operations out of Nekarsulm

PorscheFanNo1 · 24 Oct 2016, 12:58 (Ref:3682474)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sodemo

Doesn't work from a financial standpoint or a performance standpoint?

Financial. Only one team/manufacturer (i.e the winning one) will have a ROI that is profitable. All other teams will be shut down by their boards when they spend more money then what it returns cause they arent winning.

TCR is called the first BOP regulations in Touringcar racing as it mirrors the framework of GT3. But if you look historicly I'd say BOP has been the base of all majour Touringcar regulations for the last 30 years. Take S2000, there we had BOP between RWD (BMW) against turbodiesel (SEAT) against petrol FWD (Chevy). It worked cause all 3 manufacturers where being BOPed to the same performance, eventough one might have been underdeveloped, they just adjusted BOP and everyone was winning and happy.
Same in the ST years in the 90s, you had BOP between RWD (BMW), 4WD (Audi) vs everyone else. The whole game for everyone else was always to be the fastest FWD car, cause that way you were always going to be BOPed to the same level as BMW and Audi. Later TOCA and FIA took it one step further and to balance every FWD car they gave special technincal permissions to each team, in an attempt to balance all FWD cars. This is where it all went south cause to do all those special masterpeices cost huge sums of money.

It was all just BOP anyway. Difference is now its much easier to make BOP adjustments wherever they see fit and everyone know NOT to spend huge piles of money on something cause you WILL get BOPed to the same level as everyone else. So why have a technincal regulation with expensive fuel flow equipment and "free" development when all it does is cost money?

**FIRE** · 25 Oct 2016, 16:28 (Ref:3682779)

Quote:

Originally Posted by auroan

Is it ? Do you have a link to info on this ? I was under the impression Audi-Sport ran their operations out of Nekarsulm

According to team owner Johan Kraan who bought an Audi TCR:

Quote:

The TCR is developed together with SEAT and built by SEAT in Spain.
Like you can see the cars [I assume he means SEAT, VW, Audi] look almost identical inside.
We have ordered the first car that has destination The Netherlands. We have to pickup the car in Spain.

http://autosport.nl/klasse/nieuws/28...nsterlandpokal

Racing Harz · 25 Oct 2016, 20:41 (Ref:3682844)

SPV Racing By Speed Factory 2017 on the TCR Int.? They have looked at the Audi last Weekend at the N'Ring.
http://www.dailysportscar.com/2016/1...l-paddock.html

Sodemo · 30 Oct 2016, 17:12 (Ref:3684049)

Quote:

Originally Posted by PorscheFanNo1

Financial. Only one team/manufacturer (i.e the winning one) will have a ROI that is profitable. All other teams will be shut down by their boards when they spend more money then what it returns cause they arent winning.

TCR is called the first BOP regulations in Touringcar racing as it mirrors the framework of GT3. But if you look historicly I'd say BOP has been the base of all majour Touringcar regulations for the last 30 years. Take S2000, there we had BOP between RWD (BMW) against turbodiesel (SEAT) against petrol FWD (Chevy). It worked cause all 3 manufacturers where being BOPed to the same performance, eventough one might have been underdeveloped, they just adjusted BOP and everyone was winning and happy.
Same in the ST years in the 90s, you had BOP between RWD (BMW), 4WD (Audi) vs everyone else. The whole game for everyone else was always to be the fastest FWD car, cause that way you were always going to be BOPed to the same level as BMW and Audi. Later TOCA and FIA took it one step further and to balance every FWD car they gave special technincal permissions to each team, in an attempt to balance all FWD cars. This is where it all went south cause to do all those special masterpeices cost huge sums of money.

It was all just BOP anyway. Difference is now its much easier to make BOP adjustments wherever they see fit and everyone know NOT to spend huge piles of money on something cause you WILL get BOPed to the same level as everyone else. So why have a technincal regulation with expensive fuel flow equipment and "free" development when all it does is cost money?

All fair points. I appreciate the post.

Mark0994 · 4 Nov 2016, 10:36 (Ref:3685287)

What the f***
http://www.touringcartimes.com/2016/...macau-in-2017/
Final in Yas Marina?!

Biscuits In A Red Bull · 4 Nov 2016, 12:04 (Ref:3685296)

Could it be alongside F1?

Mark0994 · 4 Nov 2016, 12:18 (Ref:3685300)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biscuits In A Red Bull

Could it be alongside F1?

Yes. Alongside F1, but I think that Yas, with lot of straights, isn't track for Touring cars.

Sodemo · 4 Nov 2016, 13:39 (Ref:3685313)

There is only one good vehicle suited for that Yas Marina Circuit, and thats a JCB digging it up.

Mark0994 · 4 Nov 2016, 15:38 (Ref:3685332)

Agree with JCB digging it up

BTW Anyone know what engine Astra TCR use. Is it Insignia engine or future Astra OPC engine?

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