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6 Apr 2014, 22:14 (Ref:3389483) | #1 | |
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Two classes at Bathurst 1000
It seems some of the DVS boys are looking to get a second class in the 1000km race for development series cars
Its a good idea if the goal is to increase the field size. But naturally has some down sides also What do others think TEAMS PUSH FOR TWO-CLASS BATHURST 1000 |
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6 Apr 2014, 22:21 (Ref:3389488) | #2 | |
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I've been hoping they'd do something like this.
Leaving it quite late to get it all together I would've thought. And what of drivers? I wouldn't think many of the DVS teams would have the budget to get top, or semi-top drivers in, so it could end up being a bunch of pay drivers... Still, the more cars in the 1000 the better I say. Just hope there's a decent amount of them, 8-10 or so. |
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6 Apr 2014, 22:33 (Ref:3389496) | #3 | ||
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Excellent Idea.
25 Cars is not enough! Where are the other 7 REC's? Should the DVS group be offered the opportunity to take the "missing" 7 grid spaces in the enduro events? This would clearly raise the profile of DVS teams / drivers / sponsors. |
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6 Apr 2014, 22:38 (Ref:3389499) | #4 | ||
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Some of the people mentioned in the article struggle to get their DVS car onto the grid... how does it bring anything to the event if they are wobbling round the back several seconds off the pace in a car not prepared to its zenith, and drivers not quite good enough to get a main game ride?
Can they run a car in the DVS race and the 1000km race on the same weekend? |
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6 Apr 2014, 23:49 (Ref:3389542) | #5 | ||
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They've had numours opportunities to do this over the years. V8SC has offered wildcard entries to the DVS teams before and it almost always falls over because of the budget required to run a full enduro.
Also, the only teams that would do this would be the ones that aren't in contention for the DVS championship, so you can remove the best 3-5 teams from the equation. Then of the teams that could find the budget and aren't in the championship race, they need to be the same teams whose drivers haven't been picked up for main game co-driver duties. So you start to get a very narrow bunch of options. The whole story reads that Wayne Russell thinks it is a great idea and is trying to generate a groundswell for it. But I have a hard time seeing 4 more cars being able to make the grid. And to be honest, while I think 25 is a little low on numbers, a bunch of DVS midfielders adds nothing to the spectacle. I'd much rather see a bunch of factory wildcards. |
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6 Apr 2014, 23:52 (Ref:3389544) | #6 | ||
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Could try running the 'GTC' MARC Ford Focus type cars with the v8sc in V8SC endurance rounds.
It puts a few more drivers on the grid as well as those pairing the main-gamers in the v8sc's plus the factory wild cards as above - do erebus, nissan have spare cotf cars so at least one extra wild card per brand. Last edited by GHOGH; 7 Apr 2014 at 00:01. |
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7 Apr 2014, 01:59 (Ref:3389582) | #7 | ||
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I understand the comments above regarding teams / budgets / skill etc.
however 25 cars is not a great number to have i a series. From what I understand, IF teams can't supply a car for an event they get penalied by V8supercars. ie BJR would have coped a penalty if they couldn't put a repalcement BOC car on the grid for the AGP. Shouldn't there a penalty (or conversely an incentive) for REC holders to have a car engaged in the championship? When was the last time there was a full grid of 32 cars |
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7 Apr 2014, 03:01 (Ref:3389589) | #8 | |
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Those 7 RECs are now the property of V8SC.
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7 Apr 2014, 03:50 (Ref:3389595) | #10 | ||
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Last year's 1000 had 29 cars including the 888 run wild card.
This year we are curremtly at 25, and unless there is enough interest shown from people running COTF wild card entries soon, I think there is some merit in the DVS class proposal - so long as there is a minimum of (say) 5 entries. 25 is just not enough for a Bathurst event which is not in its infancy. It doesn't sound like there is much interest from DVS teams to put together a budget to lease and run a COTF, so what does it matter if they are running around in the previous cars at the rear of the field, potentially seconds slower than the main game? It would be another class, and would add interest to the event. Will the fastest DVS car be able to qualify faster than the slowest COTF? Would the DVS cars be exempted from any mandatory fuel fill numbers that the COTF teams will have to adhere to? How will the 17" Dunlops wear compared to the 18"? The concept can be as interesting or as rubbish as the individual makes of it. Either way, the next time I am at Bathurst will be for a (hopefully) full field of 55 cars over several classes next February. Last edited by RedZedMikey; 7 Apr 2014 at 03:56. |
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But only quality cars and drivers. I think if V8s wants to go down this route (and nothing in that article suggests they're really keen on the DVS option) then they should not make the DVS one of the support categories. That way the better DVS teams can enter their cars and put some good combinations together. 3 wildcards and 3 DVS entries would be a good addition to the Bathurst field. |
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7 Apr 2014, 05:45 (Ref:3389605) | #12 | |
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When this race was formed in 1997, the V8 fraternity did so crowing about 40+ grid size compared to the 30 cars that turned laps during the traditional Bathurst 1000 event (Mr Cochrane even said at one stage Bathurst wasn't worth having with that 'low' amount of cars).
In the last few years we've been told the field size doesn't matter...... either way running a two-class system is going against the tradition of this race and in all fairness, who noticed less than 30 started last year? |
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We have seen 6 winners in the series so far this year. With 'only' 25 cars on the grid. How many do we want to see? |
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The single class event was introduced with the V8s, and numbers have now dwindled to 25 + wildcards. They don't have 20 years up yet, so the majority of the event's history has been run with classes. Separate the B1000 from the V8SC championship, and bring back classes. Lets start with V8SC + DVS + MARC and go from there. Yeah, I know ... a pipe dream that will never happen. |
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The Bathurst 1000 that grew out of the 500 mile production car races died after the 1998 AMP Bathurst 1000 for 2-Litres. |
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People say Jim won 7 Bathursts, not 6 of this one and 1 of that one. Every year we get the historical footage. It is one race, which over the years has had different formats. Losing the "traditional" date was a result of the shenanigans of the 90's, and not wanting , or not being allowed to compete for TV time and spectators with the NFL Grand Final. |
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7 Apr 2014, 07:29 (Ref:3389627) | #18 | ||
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The traditional race was run by the ARDC in partnership with Channel 7 (in latter years more the other way round) and Bathurst Council for over three decades. When V8Supercars couldn't agree on terms with the organisers, V8Supercars left and started their own race which continues today, it's really pretty simple. Given the original event carked it, who is there left to argue when the current V8 race 'claims' the history of an event they started a rebel race against and put out of business? He who wins the war writes the history afterall...... |
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7 Apr 2014, 08:32 (Ref:3389651) | #19 | ||
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Given the camping debacle (money grab) at this year’s Bathurst, who cares if they have 2 classes or not.
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7 Apr 2014, 10:01 (Ref:3389685) | #20 | ||
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All sounds like a great idea until one of Dick's cars gets taken out at about 2pm and we have to hear about "once a year drivers" ad nauseam for the next four hours.
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7 Apr 2014, 10:42 (Ref:3389698) | #21 | ||
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I think it's a good idea, but as long as a long-term committment to including the Dunlop Series cars in the race was made and they would actively encourage them to compete in the race, rather than just make them feel like 'grid fillers' (not having a Dunlop Series round at Bathurst in future would help this i think)
In general though the more cars the merrier in my opinion |
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7 Apr 2014, 11:41 (Ref:3389713) | #22 | ||
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How do you not hold a Dunlop series race at Bathurst when it has been published, and team sponsorships sold on the back of the teev coverage it brings...
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7 Apr 2014, 22:31 (Ref:3389963) | #24 | |
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Im a bit in two minds about this
It would be great to have more cars out there, but the cars we have out there now are all fast and professional, this means less Safety Cars which results in a better endurance race |
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8 Apr 2014, 01:15 (Ref:3390001) | #25 | ||
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No doubt the field is more professional and faster, but I'm not sure this has reduced the number of Safety Cars. Although I am going off memory and don't have any facts at hand.
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