Is Mike Gascoyne overrated?

karimbo · 19 Apr 2013, 15:29 (Ref:3236700)

In my opinion, yes. VERY overrated.

With the same engine and tyres, Lotus and RedBull fare much better.

When he was at Toyota, he had an unlimited budget, yet, they never won a race.

The couple of races won at Jordan were the fruit of circumstances...

cds_uk · 19 Apr 2013, 20:19 (Ref:3236793)

They may well have the same engine and tyres as Red Bull and Lotus, they may even share some extra components with Red Bull on top of that, but I am pretty sure Mike Gascoyne has nowt to do with this years Caterham F1 car, or last years for that matter, didn't he get moved sideways into the road car side of the operation?

Knowlesy · 19 Apr 2013, 22:13 (Ref:3236821)

Well I for one am shocked that Red Bull and Lotus, with their much larger budgets and significantly better drivers, are outpacing Caterham.

F1Pete · 20 Apr 2013, 00:24 (Ref:3236865)

I always felt the same way about Gascoyne...

**Bononi** · 20 Apr 2013, 01:33 (Ref:3236875)

This is just incredible...

Malfunction Junction · 20 Apr 2013, 02:01 (Ref:3236884)

If anybody is expecting Gascoygne to be another Newey, well there's only one Newey.

He's had a decent career, produced some cars that have won races and been a significant figure in some high profile teams.

Now it seems, the boot is on the other foot, so to speak.

wnut · 20 Apr 2013, 02:16 (Ref:3236887)

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Originally Posted by karimbo

In my opinion, yes. VERY overrated.

With the same engine and tyres, Lotus and RedBull fare much better.

When he was at Toyota, he had an unlimited budget, yet, they never won a race.

The couple of races won at Jordan were the fruit of circumstances...

TBF to Gascoyne, at Toyota every time he wanted to do anything he had to subject his decisions to a formal committee/board of directors for ratification.

When he objected Toyota got rid of him.

That is no way to build F1 cars, specially prior to the set in stone technical era we are now in.

You do know of course, a camel is a racehorse designed by a committee.

mjkh · 20 Apr 2013, 04:33 (Ref:3236923)

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Originally Posted by wnut

You do know of course, a camel is a racehorse designed by a committee.

So Toyota should have entered their car in Paris-Dakar?

steve_r · 20 Apr 2013, 06:25 (Ref:3236934)

Its easy to criticise the new teams, and question their performances, but the 3 new teams (now 2) agreed to join up when there was a proposed slashing of F1 budgets, which actually never happened. Unless you understand this, you will not understand why they are where they are on the grid.

Caterham budget: £50m
Red Bull budget: £200-300 million

JeremySmith · 20 Apr 2013, 14:52 (Ref:3237040)

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Originally Posted by Bononi

This is just incredible...

Can you believe this...

Paradise City · 20 Apr 2013, 20:13 (Ref:3237118)

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Originally Posted by karimbo

In my opinion, yes. VERY overrated.

He's not overrated. Simply because he's not rated much nowadays at all.

A few years ago he was overrated.

JeremySmith · 20 Apr 2013, 20:51 (Ref:3237128)

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Originally Posted by Paradise City

He's not overrated. Simply because he's not rated much nowadays at all.

A few years ago he was overrated.

Why is he even involved in F1, he is of course useless by all accounts..

Should he be making the tea..

m355y · 20 Apr 2013, 22:23 (Ref:3237159)

Some of his Toyotas were alright, potentially a race winning car in 2005. The 1999 Jordan was very neat too. In his defence, sort of.

Knowlesy · 20 Apr 2013, 23:42 (Ref:3237179)

Don't forget his Renaults.

Paradise City · 21 Apr 2013, 02:19 (Ref:3237221)

It's possible he lost his way with the 2009 rules. Brawn maybe to a lesser extent too - nothwithstanding that he did win the WC in 2009!

Supertec · 21 Apr 2013, 08:35 (Ref:3237282)

didn't he get moved sideways into the road car side of the operation?

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The naive Fernandes was certainly taken in by him........just a suggestion move him sideways again to QPR another investment gone wrong

TrapezeArtist · 21 Apr 2013, 22:48 (Ref:3237576)

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Originally Posted by wnut

You do know of course, a camel is a racehorse designed by a committee.

But they race camels in the Middle East. So what is a racing camel?

wnut · 22 Apr 2013, 00:25 (Ref:3237614)

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Originally Posted by TrapezeArtist

But they race camels in the Middle East. So what is a racing camel?

A rally raid vehicle.

TF110 · 22 Apr 2013, 08:39 (Ref:3237758)

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Originally Posted by wnut

TBF to Gascoyne, at Toyota every time he wanted to do anything he had to subject his decisions to a formal committee/board of directors for ratification.

When he objected Toyota got rid of him.

That is no way to build F1 cars, specially prior to the set in stone technical era we are now in.

You do know of course, a camel is a racehorse designed by a committee.

where did you pick that up at? A forum? MG is overrated. Toyota sacked him then got Pascal Vasselon who IMO had done better in 08 and 09 than MG did the time he was there. Besides 05 Toyota went backwards until he was sacked. He held on to those drivers for way too long as well. Trulli Ralf Glock? They needed someone like Kimi or even Rosberg! I thought he was a sure thing when Williams was running the Toyota engines. Oh well.

formerf1champ · 22 Apr 2013, 09:02 (Ref:3237775)

Didn't Gascoyne design, or heavily influenced the design, of Alonso's first title winner?

wnut · 22 Apr 2013, 09:10 (Ref:3237783)

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Originally Posted by TF110

where did you pick that up at? A forum? MG is overrated. Toyota sacked him then got Pascal Vasselon who IMO had done better in 08 and 09 than MG did the time he was there. Besides 05 Toyota went backwards until he was sacked. He held on to those drivers for way too long as well. Trulli Ralf Glock? They needed someone like Kimi or even Rosberg! I thought he was a sure thing when Williams was running the Toyota engines. Oh well.

Fair point. I have no defence for his driver selection! Beyond comprehension!

JamesH · 22 Apr 2013, 11:42 (Ref:3237847)

In defence of MG, he is a better F1 designer than everyone here, and 99.9999999% of the world population.

If you are in the top 50 worldwide in your chosen path/career, you could never be 'overrated'.

**Bononi** · 22 Apr 2013, 14:26 (Ref:3237927)

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Originally Posted by JamesH

In defence of MG, he is a better F1 designer than everyone here, and 99.9999999% of the world population.

If you are in the top 50 worldwide in your chosen path/career, you could never be 'overrated'.

That's about right ! It defines why this thread is "overrated"...

Paradise City · 22 Apr 2013, 15:02 (Ref:3237946)

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Originally Posted by JamesH

In defence of MG, he is a better F1 designer than everyone here, and 99.9999999% of the world population.

That would only work if we are claiming to be F1 designers or aspiring to be F1 designers ourselves.

Noone of us are making that claim insofar as I know. Mike Gascoyne is making that claim for himself - thus he leaves himself open to critique as regards his performances in that role.

**Bononi** · 22 Apr 2013, 18:20 (Ref:3238033)

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Originally Posted by Paradise City

Mike Gascoyne is making that claim for himself - thus he leaves himself open to critique as regards his performances in that role.

Is he claiming that he's a F1 designer ?

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