WTCR Race of China 2019

Rubio · 12 Sep 2019, 20:07 (Ref:3927616)

Finally WTCR is back this weekend.

And very surprisingly with live coverage on Motorsport.tv
https://motorsport.tv/program/fia-wo...ve-racing/1800

Can a be a good hunting for every manufacturer, track is suitable for averybody except probably Alfa, IMO

Juntos · 13 Sep 2019, 08:42 (Ref:3927676)

The blues will have to win one.

BobJones · 13 Sep 2019, 12:55 (Ref:3927713)

Last minute BoP that favours L&C. I'm calling bullshit.

Evantra · 13 Sep 2019, 13:05 (Ref:3927714)

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Originally Posted by BobJones

Last minute BoP that favours L&C. I'm calling bullshit.

...and the Chinese driver topping FP1 😂

Though all out the 03s were outside the top ten in FP1, so either it's made no real difference or their sandbagging...

Matt K · 13 Sep 2019, 13:28 (Ref:3927718)

WTCR is back? I've forgotten about this championship's existence!

On a more serious note, there's something really wrong with this series. Ridiculous results (that stem from ridiculous BoP), poor coverage and even such a long summer break. Although I was a fan of WTCR concept in the beginning, now I barely find motivation to check results.

Mark0994 · 13 Sep 2019, 15:03 (Ref:3927741)

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Originally Posted by Matt K

WTCR is back? I've forgotten about this championship's existence!

On a more serious note, there's something really wrong with this series. Ridiculous results (that stem from ridiculous BoP), poor coverage and even such a long summer break. Although I was a fan of WTCR concept in the beginning, now I barely find motivation to check results.

LOL
We are same

Just I keep forgetting about BTCC not WTCR, but I never missed any race of any touring series in the world.
What to say? I am racing fan

Matt K · 13 Sep 2019, 20:18 (Ref:3927788)

As I said, at first I was enthusiastic about the WTCR concept but now the enthusiasm is... well, gone.

Evantra · 13 Sep 2019, 21:18 (Ref:3927797)

Agree. I want to like it but it's just been impossible to follow!

Mogster · 13 Sep 2019, 22:35 (Ref:3927811)

Yes, there’s clearly massive potential here but WTCR BOP is a complete shambles.

Rubio · 14 Sep 2019, 07:23 (Ref:3927852)

Just a reminder - BOP is not WTCR specific, it is contorlled by WSC and is implemented for the whole TCR category

HopAlong · 14 Sep 2019, 09:02 (Ref:3927870)

On paper it should be one of the best series period, in reality it is a big disappointment. BoP/stewards and the calendar kill the series.

The BoP increments are too large and too reactionary, they should have a SRO type system were the cars have a BoP for a certain type of track. The VAG stuff constantly sits around the mid table while the Link & Co/Honda and Hyundai are dominant or in no mans land at the back. Then the needless success ballast does more to harm the racing with it being for a whole weekend and for every driver in that model of car. Then we have the most uninspiring calendar with tracks that overtaking isn't hard on but impossible.

Mogster · 14 Sep 2019, 10:51 (Ref:3927889)

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Originally Posted by Rubio

Just a reminder - BOP is not WTCR specific, it is contorlled by WSC and is implemented for the whole TCR category

Yes. That abjectly doesn’t work for this series though does it.

I watch the races and enjoy them as a fan of touring cars and close racing, but the results across the series are just too random. Then there’s the manufacturer groups, BOP gaming with certain drivers always at the back while their team mates run at the front and team orders...

A decent race again today though, It’s just a shame the stands were empty. Ningbo is a really nice grade 2 track, as several of these new Chinese circuits are.

Maggo · 14 Sep 2019, 11:32 (Ref:3927894)

In GT3 I understand that we need a BoP: front, mid, rear engine, Large , small displacement, turbo and NA enginines.
But why do we need a BoP in WTCR?
All cars have same displacement, FWD,...
OK, some are sedan, some are hatchback.

I would make same ride height, same boost, same weight for all and the better car may win.

Johno.UK · 14 Sep 2019, 11:53 (Ref:3927895)

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Originally Posted by Maggo

I would make same ride height, same boost, same weight for all and the better car may win.

At which point every team buys those cars and it becomes a one make series.

Maggo · 14 Sep 2019, 12:46 (Ref:3927901)

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Originally Posted by Johno.UK

At which point every team buys those cars and it becomes a one make series.

Not if the other manufacturers want to sell too. Then they must improve. Isn't that the spririt of motorsport? Everyone has the same preconditions and the best may win

Umai Naa · 14 Sep 2019, 13:22 (Ref:3927904)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggo

In GT3 I understand that we need a BoP: front, mid, rear engine, Large , small displacement, turbo and NA enginines.
But why do we need a BoP in WTCR?
All cars have same displacement, FWD,...
OK, some are sedan, some are hatchback.

I would make same ride height, same boost, same weight for all and the better car may win.

Except the Alfa is 1.7L and the Peugeot is 1.6L.

Maggo · 14 Sep 2019, 14:03 (Ref:3927913)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

Except the Alfa is 1.7L and the Peugeot is 1.6L.

Didn't know that

HopAlong · 14 Sep 2019, 15:11 (Ref:3927924)

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Originally Posted by Maggo

Not if the other manufacturers want to sell too. Then they must improve. Isn't that the spririt of motorsport? Everyone has the same preconditions and the best may win

But then the costs go up and then you can have a situation like Lynk and Co or Cadillac in GT3. Both haven't made their cars available to customers, so while other TCR brands are making a car to be sold at 130,000 Euro, Lynk and Co could spend way more to make a better car knowing that its only going to be run by the faux privateer teem they selected.

Maggo · 14 Sep 2019, 15:17 (Ref:3927926)

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Originally Posted by HopAlong

But then the costs go up and then you can have a situation like Lynk and Co or Cadillac in GT3. Both haven't made their cars available to customers, so while other TCR brands are making a car to be sold at 130,000 Euro, Lynk and Co could spend way more to make a better car knowing that its only going to be run by the faux privateer teem they selected.

OK, so you think current BoP is good?

HopAlong · 14 Sep 2019, 17:30 (Ref:3927941)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggo

OK, so you think current BoP is good?

No, current BoP is terrible, its reactionary, the adjustments are often too big and cars from other series have influence.

**FIRE** · 14 Sep 2019, 21:09 (Ref:3927981)

For some reason it doesn't work in WTCR, in contrast to for example TCR Europe and Germany.

BTW I enjoyed race 1.

Maggo · 15 Sep 2019, 06:36 (Ref:3928044)

Destruction derby in WTCR race2.

Johno.UK · 15 Sep 2019, 07:28 (Ref:3928050)

I only caught the highlights before race 3 buildup. Was Andys puncture cause or effect with the contact?

Alessio · 15 Sep 2019, 09:00 (Ref:3928067)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggo

In GT3 I understand that we need a BoP: front, mid, rear engine, Large , small displacement, turbo and NA enginines.
But why do we need a BoP in WTCR?
All cars have same displacement, FWD,...
OK, some are sedan, some are hatchback.

I would make same ride height, same boost, same weight for all and the better car may win.

I'd personally love to see that but that would ultimately kill off the category. Development costs go up, car prices go up, running costs go up, grids go down and manufacturers leave.

BoP will always be controversial (e.g. Spa/LM 24h GTE over the last few years), it's an unconventional and somewhat strange way to go racing, but it seems to be the only way for touring car and GT racing to subsist. Now that SRO are involved in TCR over in the US, hopefully, WSC can seek some guidance moving forward with their BoP system...

Maggo · 15 Sep 2019, 09:48 (Ref:3928078)

In WTCR the biggest problem ist that the Lynk&Co is not sold and only driving in WTCR.

The 2nd problem imho is that ther are too many screws which can be adjusted for BoP.

But the racing itself was funny and entertaining again.
Has someone the current points standings?

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