James Allen

paddywic · 13 Oct 2003, 17:17 (Ref:749912)

I'm sure the name brings shakes of rage to most or a few??.. Lets not start a name bashing thread,...

I saw him in Japan, along pit lane as it happens. He really does enjoy F1, but alas, illusum James I must.
I'm sure we would all own up to being nerds if cornered or not, but he thinks he's cool, which really annoyed me.

With honestus intenta, can anyone think of a good fall guy to MB for 2004?

garagegirl · 13 Oct 2003, 17:19 (Ref:749916)

Johnny Herbert!! those two (JH and MB) make me laugh, or have I misunderstood the question?

**Adam43** · 13 Oct 2003, 17:20 (Ref:749917)

Ben Edwards.

**Adam43** · 13 Oct 2003, 17:22 (Ref:749923)

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Originally posted by garagegirl
Johnny Herbert!! those two (JH and MB) make me laugh, or have I misunderstood the question?

We already have Martin as the expert side. I don't think it should be another driver.

paddywic · 13 Oct 2003, 17:23 (Ref:749926)

I feel Irvine could be good, as I said elsewere, he reminds me of the great Hunt. I just don't feel MB could cope, live fist fights I reckon. Maybe the little scot, he seemed to turn into their pit insider for 2003, he's a good talker.

Mr V · 13 Oct 2003, 17:43 (Ref:749961)

Anyone who doesn't keep saying "Michael has made that corner his own, no-one's faster through it" When quite obviously, others were and produced quicker times

kdr · 13 Oct 2003, 18:00 (Ref:749984)

its so so simple. ben edwards.

darcym · 13 Oct 2003, 18:45 (Ref:750056)

ben was ace on sky.

failing that,

Irvine
McNish
Clive James (YES !!!! I do mean it)
Tony Jardine
Clarkson
Tiff

Perhaps a competition for "f1 Idol" to see who should be talking on the box. There is a reality show for everything else

RTH · 13 Oct 2003, 18:47 (Ref:750057)

That would certainly be a massive improvement

Irv the Swerve · 13 Oct 2003, 18:55 (Ref:750066)

Allen was cool enough when he was the pitlane man - even if he was obsessed with fuel.

Edwards on mic, Brundle for comment, Eddie for pit walkabout and general trouble-making.
McNish for when Eddie couldn't be bothered.

krt917 · 13 Oct 2003, 19:01 (Ref:750071)

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Originally posted by AdamAshmore
We already have Martin as the expert side. I don't think it should be another driver.

Agree.

Quote:

Originally posted by AdamAshmore
Ben Edwards.

Agree. More words of wisdom from Adam!

krt917 · 13 Oct 2003, 19:04 (Ref:750075)

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Originally posted by Irv the Swerve
Eddie for pit walkabout and general trouble-making.
McNish for when Eddie couldn't be bothered.

Please not Eddie as:
1) He probably wouldn't be bothered very often. Maybe he'd be happy to nip on and off the odd yacht party at Monaco, but that would be about it!
2) Opinions can be good, but I think Eddie's would be just a bit TOO inflamatary...and wrong (Irv shows that the phrase 'there is no such thing as a wrong opinion' can be challenged!)

Irv the Swerve · 13 Oct 2003, 19:07 (Ref:750077)

Quote:

Originally posted by krt917
Please not Eddie as:
1) He probably wouldn't be bothered very often. Maybe he'd be happy to nip on and off the odd yacht party at Monaco, but that would be about it!
2) Opinions can be good, but I think Eddie's would be just a bit TOO inflamatary...and wrong (Irv shows that the phrase 'there is no such thing as a wrong opinion' can be challenged!)

ah krt917, the trick is not to listen, just enjoy the spectacle...

krt917 · 13 Oct 2003, 19:09 (Ref:750080)

Ah, right. Got it

Elio · 13 Oct 2003, 19:48 (Ref:750130)

Another vote for Ben Edwards here.

(I`d sooner see David Blaine be MBs fall guy ! - that`s how much Allen annoys me!!)

**John Turner** · 13 Oct 2003, 19:57 (Ref:750137)

Yes, we've tried to replace Mr Allen before and Ben Edwards was pretty much favourite then and he would still get my vote, now!

BootsOntheSide · 13 Oct 2003, 20:17 (Ref:750165)

In a poll of general F1 viewers, I recall Jeremy Clarkson and Tiff Needell coming out on top, mainly because the public knows them and doesn't know Ben. Certainly any poll of enthusiasts seems to put Ben Edwards on top.

Irvine as a commentator would be funny at first - James Hunt, who was very similar, would frequently enliven a dull race with his opinionated rantings, sometimes based on nothign but fiction and prejudice, but soemtimes honest and entertaining. His rant against Apartheid during one South African Grand Prix is the stuff of legends.

krt917 · 13 Oct 2003, 20:22 (Ref:750166)

James Hunt was great. I don't think Eddie would be quite

so good as he lacks a certain....intellectual capacity, by comparison. Oh, and he wasn't even in the same league as Hunt when it came to driving!

Irv the Swerve · 13 Oct 2003, 20:32 (Ref:750179)

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Originally posted by krt917
James Hunt was great. I don't think Eddie would be quite so good as he lacks a certain....intellectual capacity, by comparison. Oh, and he wasn't even in the same league as Hunt when it came to driving!

I think he would surprise you krt917. I don't think he lacks intellectually (shrewd businessman is eddie). Maybe in terms of outlook he is not as much of a hippy as James Hunt in terms of money, but brain wise I think he is reasonably in tact. Only thing is though, I can't see Eddie enlivening a dull race with a rant. I can see Eddie running for the nearest helipad at the mere prospect of a dull race!

Anyway, well are all misssing the point here.
The point is - just what has Ted Kravitz got to do to get a little recognition around here?

**Adam43** · 13 Oct 2003, 20:36 (Ref:750184)

Realise when DC comes into the pits 25seconds after Rubens it isn't a battle of the pit crews!

Ted is OK, I prefer him to James in the pit lane. He does need to learn that some pit stops are longer than others even if they put the same amount of fuel in (to be fair this could be due to the limited time he has to talk).

**Asp** · 13 Oct 2003, 20:41 (Ref:750188)

Excluding Ben Edwards, who would you people vote for. I can't agree more that he's the best for the job, but he's doing a fine job on the BTCC and unlikely to be moved as ITV like him there, so we need a second commentator (not expert/driver) who could practically be considered as well.
Martin Haven perhaps?

jiggly_puff · 13 Oct 2003, 20:54 (Ref:750195)

clarkson always gets my vote i love him!

vatuloa · 13 Oct 2003, 21:49 (Ref:750250)

I agree with darcym Clive James would be the best if you could get him away from the cricket.

garcon · 13 Oct 2003, 21:54 (Ref:750257)

I think Kravitz would be better off going back to making records...

johnw · 13 Oct 2003, 22:26 (Ref:750287)

Yet another Ben Edwards fan here. The guy exudes enthusiaism for the process of racing rather than tactics and fuel levels and he is informed and credible.

The BTCC could afford to lose him and replace him with someone more appropriate from stock car racing. Just a shame that Eddie Waring is no longer with us.

David Hobbs might be an alternative. He does a great job on TSN. I know he was a driver, but long enough ago not to chip in with his experiences

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