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24 Oct 2004, 06:28 (Ref:1133403)
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Poorest pit call of the week in Surfers....(dont read if you dont wanna know events)
WORST PIT CALL OF THE WEEK...
....must surely go to Forsythe... in a formula car where the aero is everything, the front wing on Carpentier's car was stuffed from very early on in the race, and eventually it failed under load, and the car smacked the wall... They had plenty of opportunity to change this wing, other teams had to effect a similar change during the event, but for reasons unclear, the change was not made. The ChampCar official looked on at the wonky front wing, and announced it ok... No news about Mr Carpentier yet... ambulance came to get him but it was a large hit  Makes you angry when such fundamental safety items are not treated with respect!!! 
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24 Oct 2004, 06:33 (Ref:1133407)
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agreed GTR , hope you dont mind Ive editted the title so people who havent seen the race dont read it yet
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24 Oct 2004, 06:44 (Ref:1133416)
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24 Oct 2004, 07:00 (Ref:1133431)
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I agree with you as well, GTR, but imo, Forsythe Racing is just as much at falt as the Champ Car officials for not protecting their driver!
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24 Oct 2004, 07:01 (Ref:1133433)
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Sorry Marcus...
 My question was why the ChampCar official, who was standing there at the last pitstop, as they do at every pitstop, didnt make the team change the wing.... |
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24 Oct 2004, 07:06 (Ref:1133438)
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Very, VERY, valid question.
Especially after what happened to Philippe earlier in the year, under very similar circumstances. |
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24 Oct 2004, 07:08 (Ref:1133440)
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No problems GTR , safety is the number one concern but I just wanted to protect people that havent seen it yet.
I really hope Patrick is OK . |
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24 Oct 2004, 14:33 (Ref:1133870)
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That was a scary crash especially when we were not given any reports on Pat. Glad he is ok.
Hindsight is 20/20 on the replacement of the nose. If it had lasted another 5 laps Pat might well have had a 5th place finish which would be important to him as he wants 3rd place in the championship. I remember one G. Villeneuve racing around in Montreal with the nose folded over. I suppose race officals should have made the call to say you can't drive with a loose nose. Pat and his team were focusing on different considerations. I don't think there will any question for the future although based on Phillipe's previous crash there probably shouldn't have been here. I think we can all understand exactly how this happens and what later look to be bad decisions are made by drivers and teams in the heat of the moment. Glad there were not any serious injuries. I think from here on anyone with a loose wing will be required to stop to replace it. |
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24 Oct 2004, 14:56 (Ref:1133890)
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There's an article in the official Champ Car which has Neil Micklewright (I think) saying that they had discussed it with Patrick and the team and decided to stay out. You know... many times drivers have finished races with broken bits and no problem. On the other hand poor Roland Ratzemberger also lost a front wing and we know how that ended. It's just... two sided. Where do you draw the line? How much damage is too much for someone to be made to come into the pits?
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24 Oct 2004, 15:19 (Ref:1133915)
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As has already been mentioned, hindsight is a wonderful thing. Patrick and his team made the calculated decision to stay out there, he took the risk. Unfortunately that risk didn't pay off; thankfully he survived. As long as it's not going to fly off and hit anyone else, I don't think the officials have a say in it at all, it's surely up to the team, and most of all the driver to make the call? I think my thoughts on the matter can be summed up by [oops, sorry about the expletive
] misquoting S.G. Tallentyre: "I disagree with your call, but will defend to the death your right to make it".
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24 Oct 2004, 15:32 (Ref:1133922)
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In the past if your car was the slightest bit unsafe the officials would call a car in. I don't think they should have let Pat even make it to the pitstop. If Forsythe/Pat didn't have the sense to change the wing, why didn't the officials call Pat in?
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24 Oct 2004, 15:33 (Ref:1133925)
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I think it should be left to the driver to decide.
They said on the race commentary that Patreek had said he couldn't feel any difference in the car and he didn't feel he was too damaged. After all, he's the one who has to take the risk, so he's the one who should make the call, IMO. And since he wanted the points so badly, he took the risk. He rolled the dice, he lost. Fortunatly he got away with it, thankfully the combination of the excellent car safety and the fact it failed in a place with a LOT of runoff means he can live to risk again. Was very worrying for a while there though! |
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24 Oct 2004, 15:52 (Ref:1133944)
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Teams are paid to win races (or at least do well). It is the stewards who are paid to make things safe.
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24 Oct 2004, 17:16 (Ref:1134012)
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24 Oct 2004, 21:45 (Ref:1134279)
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Even if you want to make the arguement that it was Pat's choice, in the past when a peice of the car was hanging off they'd be called in because it was a hazzard to others. Being on a track with other people means that decisions were being made that effected others. IMO from either perspective CC officials should have gotten involved.
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24 Oct 2004, 22:43 (Ref:1134326)
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I'm surprised they weren't called in for it. What if it had fallen off, lying in the middle of the track and caused someone else to crash? In fact Patrick nearly took out another car, and had it happened after a restart might have taken out half the field. Fine for the driver and team to decide it's their risk and they're willing to run with it, but IMO the officials failed to protect the other teams and drivers and were fortunate i the outcome.
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25 Oct 2004, 04:35 (Ref:1134506)
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That's exactly the way that I see it, Wooley.
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28 Oct 2004, 08:51 (Ref:1138639)
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Racing is dangerous. Patrick was fighting for 3rd spot in the championship. He knew the risks, the team knew the risks. Replacing his wing would have dropped him several spots. A risky call was made to leave the front wing as it was. It ended up being the wrong call, but I still think it was right to leave the decision up to the driver and team.
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