Holden Local Manufacturing... GONE!! (Merged)

fomoco · 6 Aug 2013, 19:54 (Ref:3286621)

Now its holdens turn
http://www.news.com.au/business/the-...-1226692359323

RedZedMikey · 7 Aug 2013, 04:01 (Ref:3286733)

If the items quoted in the Holden article are factual, then it goes a long way to explaining why local vehicle manufacturing is going down the gurgler. There is so much in there that many other employers/employees have had as their basic rules of employment for years. 40 minutes of paid breaks - really!!??

Comparison with the working conditions experienced in vehicle manufacture in other countries would be interesting. In particular I wonder if the US unions had to relinquish much when GM were restructuring while under Chapter 11.

Personally, I want Holden and Toyota to continue manufacturing locally and not become just Design and Engineering Centres like Ford will be. If Holden pull the pin, will there be enough business to keep the already suffering/downsizing OEM suppliers in business with just TMCA and the spare parts organisations as customers?

Yes, this might mean large dollars in Government support, but if the whingers and moaners realised how much foreign governments handed out in support per capita compared to ours, then maybe they would shut up .... naaah, they won't

Mixer · 7 Aug 2013, 06:18 (Ref:3286764)

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Originally Posted by RedZedMikey

Personally, I want Holden and Toyota to continue manufacturing locally and not become just Design and Engineering Centres like Ford will be. If Holden pull the pin, will there be enough business to keep the already suffering/downsizing OEM suppliers in business with just TMCA and the spare parts organisations as customers?

Unfortunately Ford's loss means the cost base out of those suppliers is already going to rise, putting more pressure on Holden and Toyota to be competitive.

fomoco · 7 Aug 2013, 09:43 (Ref:3286838)

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Originally Posted by RedZedMikey

If the items quoted in the Holden article are factual, then it goes a long way to explaining why local vehicle manufacturing is going down the gurgler. There is so much in there that many other employers/employees have had as their basic rules of employment for years. 40 minutes of paid breaks - really!!??

Comparison with the working conditions experienced in vehicle manufacture in other countries would be interesting. In particular I wonder if the US unions had to relinquish much when GM were restructuring while under Chapter 11.

Personally, I want Holden and Toyota to continue manufacturing locally and not become just Design and Engineering Centres like Ford will be. If Holden pull the pin, will there be enough business to keep the already suffering/downsizing OEM suppliers in business with just TMCA and the spare parts organisations as customers?

Yes, this might mean large dollars in Government support, but if the whingers and moaners realised how much foreign governments handed out in support per capita compared to ours, then maybe they would shut up .... naaah, they won't

Some good points, but having worked at GMH fishermansbend, some years back, it is still controlled by North Americans, so no matter what the Govts do, the unions agree with, and the public buy, the North Americans will decide, and most likley like ford, shut down, and dump euro regulated cars and **** boxes from the north american market on us. After all they killed the Manaro,

TWRv12 · 11 Aug 2013, 21:30 (Ref:3288536)

Seen another article saying something about GM looking for more money, but would wait until after the election to make any big decisions

bluesport · 13 Aug 2013, 00:11 (Ref:3289056)

.......and Ford parties.

http://www.news.com.au/business/comp...-1226695930553

Mixer · 13 Aug 2013, 01:29 (Ref:3289075)

Wow $4m is a fair old party, if you were a lifer at Broady I dunno how you'd feel about that.

bluesport · 13 Aug 2013, 01:38 (Ref:3289079)

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Originally Posted by Mixer

Wow $4m is a fair old party, if you were a lifer at Broady I dunno how you'd feel about that.

No worries, our taxes paid for it.

Mixer · 13 Aug 2013, 02:21 (Ref:3289085)

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Originally Posted by bluesport

No worries, our taxes paid for it.

On the flipside, I'm a business owner myself, I had to let an employee go earlier this year after losing a vendor, and I still spent money on marketing after that. Mind you I scaled down from 2 $50k trade shows to 2 $10k parties, but still...

bluesport · 13 Aug 2013, 02:24 (Ref:3289086)

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Originally Posted by Mixer

On the flipside, I'm a business owner myself, I had to let an employee go earlier this year after losing a vendor, and I still spent money on marketing after that. Mind you I scaled down from 2 $50k trade shows to 2 $10k parties, but still...

But you paid for it yourself, out of your own "hard earned".........blokes like you are the salt of the earth........have a good one.

mountainstar · 13 Aug 2013, 18:52 (Ref:3289391)

This is what happens when countries embrace follies like a tax on carbon.

Australia is just too expensive these days so I think GM will call it quits.

bluesport · 13 Aug 2013, 23:20 (Ref:3289472)

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Originally Posted by mountainstar

This is what happens when countries embrace follies like a tax on carbon.

Australia is just too expensive these days so I think GM will call it quits.

But all the greenie do-gooders have been telling us we need to be leaders in this area, and to show the rest of the world what needs to be done.

mountainstar · 14 Aug 2013, 01:48 (Ref:3289495)

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Originally Posted by bluesport

But all the greenie do-gooders have been telling us we need to be leaders in this area, and to show the rest of the world what needs to be done.

Yes and lose all the useful jobs along the way.

There are only so many jobs out there punching keyboards and pushing paper.

bluesport · 14 Aug 2013, 02:29 (Ref:3289507)

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Originally Posted by mountainstar

Yes and lose all the useful jobs along the way.

There are only so many jobs out there punching keyboards and pushing paper.

Exactly........and the do-gooders don't realise how much more tax they will be paying for those out of work, they may even be unable to make their own mortgage repayments.

**GTRMagic** · 14 Aug 2013, 04:00 (Ref:3289520)

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Originally Posted by bluesport

Exactly........and the do-gooders don't realise how much more tax they will be paying for those out of work, they may even be unable to make their own mortgage repayments.

Do greenie do-gooders pay tax?

bluesport · 14 Aug 2013, 04:10 (Ref:3289523)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Do greenie do-gooders pay tax?

Some do, but the ones that I know seem to be off in some "fiscal fairyland" where money grows on trees.

DAVID PATERSON · 16 Aug 2013, 09:09 (Ref:3290617)

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Originally Posted by bluesport

But all the greenie do-gooders have been telling us we need to be leaders in this area, and to show the rest of the world what needs to be done.

We've been world leaders in abolishing Tariff protection for more than a decade. How far has that got us?

Gaz170 · 17 Aug 2013, 08:34 (Ref:3290905)

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Originally Posted by DAVID PATERSON

We've been world leaders in abolishing Tariff protection for more than a decade. How far has that got us?

All the way to Centrelink.............

bluesport · 18 Aug 2013, 00:07 (Ref:3291136)

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Originally Posted by DAVID PATERSON

We've been world leaders in abolishing Tariff protection for more than a decade. How far has that got us?

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Originally Posted by Gaz170

All the way to Centrelink.............

The company I worked for has been struggling ever since the tariff protection was removed and got even worse with the high Aussie dollar.........dangerous place to work now IMO.

TWRv12 · 20 Aug 2013, 01:04 (Ref:3291899)

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Holden has confirmed its ongoing commitment to V8 Supercars racing despite the current question marks over its future as a manufacturer in Australia.

http://www.v8supercars.com.au/news/h...o-v8-supercars

rik · 20 Aug 2013, 01:34 (Ref:3291912)

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Originally Posted by TWRv12

http://www.v8supercars.com.au/news/h...o-v8-supercars

Good to see Holden on the front foot about this...

Pity Ford hasn't done the same. Ford's $4m party will soon be forgotten, but if they quit V8s it will haunt their brand and PR efforts for many many years.

Casper · 24 Aug 2013, 02:13 (Ref:3293295)

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Originally Posted by rik

Good to see Holden on the front foot about this...

Pity Ford hasn't done the same. Ford's $4m party will soon be forgotten, but if they quit V8s it will haunt their brand and PR efforts for many many years.

They do not utilise the PR aspect now so won't miss it. In fact I doubt that either Holden or Ford utilise it fully. When was the last Monday morning advert run in a newspaper or online trumpeting a Sunday victory? It used to be routine and expected that the winner would advertise the result full page in Monday's papers.

Axeman444 · 25 Aug 2013, 23:47 (Ref:3293937)

i see more celebration from the Ford Racing Facebook page (based out of Dearborn I believe) than I do locally for any results in the V8's

PVDA · 27 Aug 2013, 07:38 (Ref:3294571)

A positive photo for the local industry (cue Chev Badge on Holdens jokes).

**GTRMagic** · 27 Aug 2013, 07:52 (Ref:3294580)

So now there is a second 'lucky country'

Here's hoping they sell in the US in enough numbers to keep the plant running at top speed

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