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25 Jun 2007, 14:24 (Ref:1946349) | #1 | |
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The potential of Sutil?
Adrian Sutil is getting some hype lately. He has dominated his Spyker teammate this year and his boss is touting him as a future rival to LH (see link below). Does he have it to be an F1 star?
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25 Jun 2007, 14:37 (Ref:1946358) | #2 | ||
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Kolles has various reasons to say this, one of them beeing that they have a multi year deal with Sutil wich will cost a great deal of money to buy off for any top team that wants his services.
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25 Jun 2007, 14:41 (Ref:1946363) | #3 | ||
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Despite what some may say, Albers has won in DTM and had two solid yet unremarkable seasons in F1. He's a reasonable yardstick for a young rookie, and Sutil has eclipsed him with ease. |
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25 Jun 2007, 14:45 (Ref:1946365) | #4 | ||
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DTM is hardly a series you can compare to F1, ever seen the F1 results of "Mr DTM" Bernd Schneider??
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25 Jun 2007, 14:53 (Ref:1946369) | #5 | ||
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He's no Zsolt Baumgartner, let's put it that way. |
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Yes I have, that's what I'm saying, it's al whole different series, beeing good in DTM does'nt mean you're good in F1 and also the other way round.
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25 Jun 2007, 15:11 (Ref:1946384) | #8 | |
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I wish I hadn’t mentioned the DTM now!
Back on topic, Sutil has shown well in the lower formulae, and has looked swift in the Spyker. I’d say he has a future in F1. Whether he'll develop into a title challenger or not is almost impossible to say. |
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25 Jun 2007, 15:43 (Ref:1946410) | #9 | ||
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as long as he keeps it on the tarmac he should be able to move up(Toyota??)
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He has surprised me in F1, cause I didn't think he was that special in other formulas. |
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25 Jun 2007, 16:56 (Ref:1946485) | #11 | ||
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Despite lack of coverage, when you look in depth at his performances there is a star on the rise. He has certainly made Albers look surplus to requirements lately.
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25 Jun 2007, 18:59 (Ref:1946620) | #12 | |
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look at it this way...remember a certain Mr Alonso hardly ever finishing a race in the Minardi in 2001, but still outperformed his teammate and sometimes other teams like Benetton? It's all relative, so yes, I for one think Sutil has a lot of POTENTIAL....because that's the operative word - you cant say much more than that in reality because lets face it, even our Lewis is an unknown quantity in a difficult car.
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25 Jun 2007, 19:20 (Ref:1946636) | #13 | ||
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Credit where its due he has seen off Albers which was number one on his to do list, he has been mixing it with the other teams in the races which is another plus point for him, but to be fair he has visited the wall once or twice as well, not convinced yet, promising start though.
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25 Jun 2007, 19:59 (Ref:1946670) | #14 | ||
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Outpacing his team mate in qualifying and in races is something I think.
and yes, I would like to see him in a better car to see if he passes the 2nd test. The first one, he already did imo. |
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25 Jun 2007, 20:28 (Ref:1946696) | #15 | |
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Sutil does appear very good. Lewis rates him apparently, which is something and he has blown away Albers.
OK, fine, my grandad could outpace Albers despite the fact he is dead, but Sutil is doing it by a massive margin that will get him noticed. Good on him. Please fulfil your "potential". |
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25 Jun 2007, 22:00 (Ref:1946809) | #16 | ||
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In his defence, both he and Albers are crashing frequently, so it might just be a difficult car to drive close to its limit (which isn't too fast anyway). He may have lost 15-2 on wins to Lewis in their F3 season as team-mates, but he was a rookie and I expect he came 2nd to Lewis a lot (http://www.driverdb.com/racingdriver279.html says he had 11 podiums - as we've seen this year, there's no shame losing to Lewis). He could be a neat driver, but anything Colin Kolles says should be taken with all the salt in the Red Sea.
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25 Jun 2007, 22:13 (Ref:1946819) | #17 | ||
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Given the break's Schneider would have won plenty of F1 races, as would Kristensen etc. In fact you could interchange the vast majority of F1 drivers with the best out of other disciplines, and they'd do equaly as well. Only the likes of Hamilton, Schumacher, Senna, Prost, Mansell etc. stand above the rest. Last edited by JAG; 25 Jun 2007 at 22:15. |
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I think Sutil's got some talent, but some of his rookie mistakes and lack of coaching could have come as a result of skipping GP2. He couldve been putting on alot better show had he done 1-2 years there
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Sutil definately has talent. However, I still harbor only one major concern about him. Code:
Formula 3 Euroseries 2005 1. Lewis Hamilton ASM 161 2. Adrian Sutil ASM 94 Of course, looking at Alonso, it appears losing to Hamilton is nothing to be ashamed of. But still; from that result, winning the WDC could only really be because of the car for Sutil. |
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26 Jun 2007, 08:56 (Ref:1947055) | #20 | ||
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Edit: Actually scratch that. A quick glance at Wiki reveals that it was also Sutil's second year. He competed in 2004 for Colin Kolles' outift. It also reveals that, like Cevert and De Angelis before him, Sutil is something of a talented pianist. Last edited by Super Hans; 26 Jun 2007 at 08:59. |
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26 Jun 2007, 10:17 (Ref:1947120) | #21 | |
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Reminds me of when they used to compare HHF with MS, we all know what happend there.
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26 Jun 2007, 19:06 (Ref:1947511) | #23 | |
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Montoya used to run in DTM, too, at the same time as Magnussen, Franchitti and Fisichella. If I remember correctly, Franchitti got the highest points score of the 4 back then, but never made it to F1, whilst all the others did. I guess Montoya benefits from his previous touring car experiences now in NasCar.
Alesi and Hakkinen both did OK in DTM, as did Christian Danner. Bernd Schneider needed some time to warm up to the series, but then stole the "Mr DTM" title from Klaus Ludwig. Heinz-Harald Frentzen took the hard road by joining the troubled Opel crew, and in turn failed to make much of an impression in DTM, whereas ex-Lotus pay-nonqualifier Michael Bartels has won several races in the series. Oh, and of course, Keke Rosberg himself has performed OK, too, in DTM. But Eric Van Der Poele, Hans-Joachim Stuck, Johnny Cecotto and Nicola Larini all won titles in DTM, and not much in F1. That makes it difficult to say whether good performances in DTM are an indicator for success in F1 and vice versa. |
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26 Jun 2007, 19:11 (Ref:1947514) | #24 | |
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I think JPM only made one guest appearance for the Silverstone DTM races (1996) so it wasn't really significant experience.
DTM is not an indicator at all for F1 I'd say. Because few go from DTM to F1 in any case, it's usually the other way round which isn't really the same. Last edited by Knowlesy; 26 Jun 2007 at 19:15. |
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