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Old 26 May 2013, 19:16 (Ref:3253604)   #1
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Grosjeans future

Something Eddie Jordan said after the race today got me thinking, apparently Grosjeans drive is up for review after every three races, today was race six, do you think there is any danger he might get eased out for Canada?
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Old 26 May 2013, 19:20 (Ref:3253607)   #2
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That was a lot of gear he tore up this weekend. Hard decision, he can be quite fast.
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Old 26 May 2013, 19:32 (Ref:3253613)   #3
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Something Eddie Jordan said after the race today got me thinking, apparently Grosjeans drive is up for review after every three races, today was race six, do you think there is any danger he might get eased out for Canada?
The way i understand it, is that it isnt his Lotus Contract itself under review, i believe it is his driving standards which are reviewed every 3 races to see if he has calmed down/improved.

However i could be wrong
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Old 26 May 2013, 19:38 (Ref:3253614)   #4
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He didn't exactly cover himself in glory this weekend, did he....... Being fast just isn't enough.
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Old 26 May 2013, 19:39 (Ref:3253615)   #5
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Obviously it was a terrible weekend for him. But let's look at the bigger picture; he got an excellent podium within the last three races, and he was the best driver out there in Canada last year.

He won't be dropped after this, but you have to feel it's last chance saloon. Especially as he has one of the best cars out there. I just wonder what someone like Hulkenberg could do with his car? Or, perhaps delving into utter fantasy, Kubica?
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Old 26 May 2013, 20:35 (Ref:3253648)   #6
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I said in the race thread I don't expect to see him in the Canadian GP.
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Old 26 May 2013, 20:36 (Ref:3253649)   #7
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Obviously it was a terrible weekend for him. But let's look at the bigger picture; he got an excellent podium within the last three races, and he was the best driver out there in Canada last year.

He won't be dropped after this, but you have to feel it's last chance saloon. Especially as he has one of the best cars out there. I just wonder what someone like Hulkenberg could do with his car? Or, perhaps delving into utter fantasy, Kubica?
If Grosjean is to be replaced then it is not going to be easy for whoever comes in. The reserve driver is Jerome D'Ambrosio but I cannot remember him getting much seat time so it will be difficult for him to come in mid season. However if Enstone were to start using him on Friday mornings then it would make a change easier.
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Old 26 May 2013, 20:38 (Ref:3253653)   #8
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It would be easy to come in after Grosjean. Simply avoid crashing and you will have earnt the drive.

The only easier drivers on the grid to replace are Chilton and Maldonado.
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Old 26 May 2013, 22:41 (Ref:3253711)   #9
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Isn't Valsecchi the reserve driver rather than d'Ambrosio? Neither have the raw pace Grosjean has, so I would be more inclined to trust that Romain will keep it sensible rather than hope the reserve will get up to speed.
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Old 26 May 2013, 22:54 (Ref:3253716)   #10
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Who gets the seat though? d'Ambrosio? I don't think so. Glock is tied to BMW. Bruno Senna? Could be wrestled from Aston Martin I suppose, but he'd want more of a contract than I think Renault are in a position to give.

Which leaves two obvious possibilities.

Kobayashi. A popular choice, quick and experienced. I'd imagine a good pairing for Kimi. Has driven the Pirellis. Only question mark really is what deal if any does he have with Toyota?

And that leaves just one, and might be my first port of call. Alguersuari. I know, but give it a few minutes thought.
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Old 26 May 2013, 23:08 (Ref:3253717)   #11
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It would be easy to come in after Grosjean. Simply avoid crashing and you will have earnt the drive.

The only easier drivers on the grid to replace are Chilton and Maldonado.
It always surprises me the low opinion people have of Maldonado.
Be that as it may however, seeing as Chilton and Maldonado bring large portions of their respective team's budget you could say neither are at all replaceable.
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Old 26 May 2013, 23:32 (Ref:3253724)   #12
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I would be ecstatic if Kobayashi could take his spot. He got robbed imo. Should be in Perez's spot or No-Gro.
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Old 26 May 2013, 23:43 (Ref:3253731)   #13
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Why would Bruno Senna return when he knows they are likely to just dump him again as they did in the past? Aston Martin is a good solid drive with a steady income, and I think his F1 ship has sailed for better or for worse.

Maybe Pirrelli will ask Lotus to do a test and they can bring their young third driver up to speed for Canada?
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Old 27 May 2013, 00:01 (Ref:3253735)   #14
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Expect Kovalainen to be getting a call.....
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Old 27 May 2013, 02:02 (Ref:3253761)   #15
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I think it might have been Ted Kravitz who made what at the time sounded like a random comment outside the Caterham garage during the post race that he was surprised Heikki who was supposed to be doing first free practice sessions wasn't doing it and he wondered out loud why.

Maybe connected.

Not a bad call and probably he's still familiar with some of the Enstone staff.
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It always surprises me the low opinion people have of Maldonado.
Be that as it may however, seeing as Chilton and Maldonado bring large portions of their respective team's budget you could say neither are at all replaceable.
I am a fan of the on-form, race winning Maldonado. But when the car is off he is one of the worst drivers in history.

Unlike Grosjean, though, he is a race winner.
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Grosjean to replace Massa at Ferrari?...
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What a waste of possible the best all round car on the grid. He has the IQ of a letterbox. Surely he cannot see out the season. Take DR or JEV I reckon
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Obviously it was a terrible weekend for him. But let's look at the bigger picture; he got an excellent podium within the last three races, and he was the best driver out there in Canada last year.

He won't be dropped after this, but you have to feel it's last chance saloon. Especially as he has one of the best cars out there. I just wonder what someone like Hulkenberg could do with his car? Or, perhaps delving into utter fantasy, Kubica?
I was a big fan of his, particularly pre-F1, but I have to say he's had far too many chances to prove himself... and it's clear he's not been a match for Kimi in terms of speed or results. As of today - [Kimi 2nd with 86 points, Grosjean 9th with 26 points]. The Renault's a title contending car and the second one shouldn't be that far behind. I know he's bringing funds to the team... so they'll have to weigh that up against what a better driver would be capable of in terms of finishes and the end of year Bernie money.
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This year or next? Potsie is being lined up for a seat alongside Mr Alonso next year apparently...
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There's nothing wrong with Romain Grosjean's raw driving talent. Nothing at all. Infact, I would go as far as to say he is probably in the top 5 'fastest' drivers on the grid. The problem Grosjean has is mental, a concentration issue. He loses focus too easily. Grosjean does not need driver coaching, as was once offered to him by sir Jackie Stewart. He's got plenty of raw driving talent. He needs to get his mental space sorted when on the track, and then we would see a different picture. Pictures of Romain on the podium more often.

Unfortunately for Romain, you only get one chance in F1 these days (unless you bring bags of money). And IMO, he's very close to blowing his one and only chance. He will be at Canada. I'm 100% confident of that. But one more 'brain fade' in the next three races or so, and I can't see him driving for Lotus F1 in the last few races of the season.
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There's nothing wrong with Romain Grosjean's raw driving talent. Nothing at all. Infact, I would go as far as to say he is probably in the top 5 'fastest' drivers on the grid. The problem Grosjean has is mental, a concentration issue. He loses focus too easily. Grosjean does not need driver coaching, as was once offered to him by sir Jackie Stewart. He's got plenty of raw driving talent. He needs to get his mental space sorted when on the track, and then we would see a different picture. Pictures of Romain on the podium more often.

Unfortunately for Romain, you only get one chance in F1 these days (unless you bring bags of money). And IMO, he's very close to blowing his one and only chance. He will be at Canada. I'm 100% confident of that. But one more 'brain fade' in the next three races or so, and I can't see him driving for Lotus F1 in the last few races of the season.
I'm not sure it's a 'mental issue'... several times now pundits have been surmising that he could have a problem with peripheral vision and judgement... which while it's not related to his speed... is nonetheless a driving problem.
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I got a feeling it's the last we've seen of him, personally.

Could be totally wrong, but I very much get the impression they've lost/are losing patience with him fast. And I can't blame them anymore.

My mate made a good suggestion - what about Heikki to replace him? He'll do a solid job for the remainder of the season and has a point to prove. Everything to gain for him. Besides, he was Mr Consistency at Lotus/Caterham.

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