Poor Alesi!

Mekola · 24 Jun 2001, 14:09 (Ref:109027)

After another struggling race, if he tried to pass Raikkonen two laps before the end, he spinned and finished on gravel trap...

Don K · 24 Jun 2001, 14:31 (Ref:109051)

Proof again that David acted very wise to stay behind Bernoldi.

By the way, how did Alesi manage to lose 5 positions during the first part of the race?

enemy-ace · 24 Jun 2001, 14:56 (Ref:109069)

Alesi just outbraked himself diving down the inside of Raikonnen, and Raikonnen let him do it.
An overly enthusiastic move by Alesi and clear thinking by Raikonnen. That's Racing.

R · 24 Jun 2001, 15:01 (Ref:109073)

Yes, it is. So it was a mistake, but at least he tries to pass.

enemy-ace · 24 Jun 2001, 15:13 (Ref:109082)

You can also TRY to fit a square peg into a round hole, that doesn't make it an intelligent move. Dive bombing and then slamming on the anchors is an act of desperation and one i am sure Alesi recognizes. I would never chastise someone for attempting to pass, but more often than not it is an art that requires a plan.

Tristan · 24 Jun 2001, 17:21 (Ref:109149)

I have to agree, dumb place to pass, why not wait till Veedol? No-one else at fault other than the man himself.

pb btcc · 24 Jun 2001, 17:25 (Ref:109151)

Alesi was the only driver to have finished every race before this race while last year he didn't even look like he was going to complete half a race neverloan finish

**Bononi** · 24 Jun 2001, 18:19 (Ref:109176)

I like when he gets emotional and starts banging the wheel !!!

Don K · 24 Jun 2001, 18:50 (Ref:109198)

He didn't lose any points with his Jacques-imitation, did he?

If there was no danger involved, and if no damage was done, I think it might be all right to do this, if the spectators like to see it.

R · 24 Jun 2001, 19:00 (Ref:109202)

I resent that off-topic reference to Jacques

(Purely because it's off-topic of course

)

But apart from that, I agree with you, especially if he has finished every race up until now. You've got to make attempts. That's what racing is - or should be - all about.

downforce · 24 Jun 2001, 20:25 (Ref:109247)

Gimme a break!!

Ole man Alesi has jus gotto go!!

Why cant he get going with the likes of Mcrae and Gronholm??

Damn! He has passed his peak and cant pass the weak, anymore!!

Wrex · 24 Jun 2001, 23:09 (Ref:109304)

There are two Jean Alesi's. The passionate die-hard racer that could go until he was 45 because he loves it. The man that can put a car (especially in wet race) in positions it should never aquire.

Then there's the other one, the 'ignore pit instructions and run out of fuel' Jean, the fool.

Today we saw the later.

I agree he is one of those few drivers that still loves to pass, and I would'nt want that discouraged. But that was a stupid move at a stupid point on the track.

I wonder, If the positions had been reversed, what would be said about Kimi and his superlicence. It would have been branded, dangerous and "inexperienced".

Not one of your better moves Jean.

badoer fan · 25 Jun 2001, 16:50 (Ref:109606)

At least he had a go. What would u all be saying if it had come off? It was one of thre most exciting moments of the race, and its good to see that there's still someone in F1 willing to have a go!

economy_waffle · 25 Jun 2001, 17:14 (Ref:109616)

Quote:

Originally posted by enemy-ace
I would never chastise someone for attempting to pass, but more often than not it is an art that requires a plan.

ah ha!!! now u see the whole thing about overtaking!!! it takes too long to plan the damn move (mainly because of team pressure - wanting to keep their sponsors happy etc.) that many just hope that they can make it up in the pits. im sorry but, F1 is a victim of its own sucsess sometimes...

Liz · 25 Jun 2001, 19:35 (Ref:109661)

Alesi is the only real man left in Formula One. (Besides the man-in-training Juan Pablo). And I hope he keeps on driving until he's 100 years old, just to give us some reminder of what racing was like before the little boys took over and all the passion left racing ... he's a reminder of the days when you didn't win by sending your boss to beat up the other guys or tattle to the stewards, or have your contract written so you got to take points off your teammate ... you actually had to drive the car.

I hope he stays forever and if every move isn't an oil painting, at least it is not boring!

bghaw · 25 Jun 2001, 20:36 (Ref:109679)

LIZ you never cease to WOW me with your posts.

enemy-ace · 25 Jun 2001, 21:13 (Ref:109686)

Quote:

Originally posted by economy_waffle

ah ha!!! now u see the whole thing about overtaking!!! it takes too long to plan the damn move (mainly because of team pressure - wanting to keep their sponsors happy etc.) that many just hope that they can make it up in the pits. im sorry but, F1 is a victim of its own sucsess sometimes...

Actually economy_waffle, my previous post about overtaking really encompasses all motorsports, especially open wheel racing, from karts to motorcycles to CART to F1. Motor-racing is one of the most cerebral sports in the world, where you are constantly planning, be it either pit strategies or overtaking maneuvres. As you gain on your quarry you are watching him and looking for weakness, you don't arrive on his gearbox and then start to plan. So actually i'm sorry, but your statement just doesn't hold water.
As for Alesi, I enjoy watching him race and hope to for a few more years (hopefully in CART), but this particular move in question was just not a good one. Being an experienced driver, I would think he could have done a better job of it. It's funny actually that Raikonnen the rookie proved to be the wiser of the two in that instance.

Minardi fan · 25 Jun 2001, 23:24 (Ref:109729)

I've said it before and I'll say it again - Jean is still the best driver out there, and the last true racer among them. The day he leaves F1 will be a sad sad one indeed.

mjstallard · 25 Jun 2001, 23:35 (Ref:109734)

When Jean was at Ferrari, I remember that Murray Walker used to describe Jean Alesi not as a French driver, but as a French-Sicilian driver...perhaps a marker as to how much he sums up to people what Ferrari are supposed to be about. Kick out TGF, we want a *real* Ferrari champ!

Porsche_1 · 26 Jun 2001, 01:30 (Ref:109787)

Mjstallard,

You seem to forget that Ferrari did try to have "real" Ferrari people in the past, but they were not good enough to get the team to the top. Jean is included in this. He is driving the car that he deserves. He should quit and go to CART.

Liz · 26 Jun 2001, 03:00 (Ref:109800)

One day he will have a surpassing career in sports cars, and he will win Le Mans.

But meanwhile we will enjoy him in F1 and those who prefer to see the other kind of "driver" certainly have plenty to choose from.

I'd rather watch Alesi.

Porsche_1 · 26 Jun 2001, 03:15 (Ref:109803)

Quote :

One day he will have a surpassing career in sports cars, and he will win Le Mans.

Just like those that said one day he would have a WDC in F1. For now we will enjoy the current crop of drivers, live in the present, acknowledge talent and stop living in a world of nostalgia, and what may or could have been.

Airhead · 26 Jun 2001, 03:30 (Ref:109809)

Saying you prefer to watch an F1 car driven by Alesi would seem to be aimed at the here and now would it not. He deserves a place on the grid, some lesser drivers are still there after all. Swerve anyone?

Porsche_1 · 26 Jun 2001, 03:50 (Ref:109814)

Amoffat,

I agree that he deserves a place on the grid, and yes he is better than some of the people on the grid. However, the pedestal that he is placed upon by some of the people in this forum is IMHO undeserved.

downforce · 26 Jun 2001, 07:29 (Ref:109854)

I agree with the Porsche....the ole nut shud be in Rallying, hes over-rated in ten-tenths!

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