Masssa says Title should be his.

Andy 325 · 2 Oct 2009, 06:26 (Ref:2552453)

So Massa is bleating that Piquet Jr's crash cost him the title last season. Very good, did Piquet also cause him to drive off with the fuel rig still attached to his car?
Maybe Piquet's car was also spewing out oil at Silverstone and caused him to spin 5 times.
Get over it son.

tonful · 2 Oct 2009, 08:11 (Ref:2552497)

Can't see him getting very far with getting the championship results amended. Like you say Piquet didn't make the Ferrari team mess up the pitstop, something they managed to do at other races during the season aswell so it wasn't caused by the pressure of the safety car.

If anything the about the Singapore result was to be changed the obvious thing would be to remove Renault and Alonso, which doesn't help Massa as it would only move him up to 12th but would move Hamilton up to 2nd

Maybe Hamilton should ask the FIA to look into the race fixing that was carried out by the Ferrari drivers in China when Kimi blatently lifted on the straight to allow Massa past.

VIVA GT · 2 Oct 2009, 08:18 (Ref:2552501)

The trouble with all of this is that if something that happened handn't have happened, then anything else could have happened instead!
(This is why time-travellers are not allowed to go back and change history

)

Super Hans · 2 Oct 2009, 08:18 (Ref:2552502)

I've mentioned this elsewhere but I agree with you. He has no real ground for complaint, though Bononi (who is Brazilian) claims that what Massa really meant has been lost in translation.

Mr V · 2 Oct 2009, 10:53 (Ref:2552593)

Fact of the matter is, had Piquet not intentionally spun, then Massa, wouldn't have pitted when he did and maybe his fuel rig wouldn't have stuck, but then, fact is, had his engine not blown in Hungary he'd have had 10 points there, s

happen's, some time's life's not fair, things can't be changed now so he need's to forget it and look to the future.

Spritle · 2 Oct 2009, 10:58 (Ref:2552596)

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Originally Posted by VIVA GT

The trouble with all of this is that if something that happened handn't have happened, then anything else could have happened instead!
(This is why time-travellers are not allowed to go back and change history

)

Ahhhh, but their mere presence as interlopers would change history by itself.

If Button wraps it up this weekend, I will skip the last few races and watch reruns of The Time Tunnel.

djb · 2 Oct 2009, 12:56 (Ref:2552658)

I can understand how he feels, its pretty normal for him to make a comment about it as of course the thought would have been foremost in his mind when he heard of all this, especially injured and not being able to race.

For me, the key thing is how much my (and pretty much everyone elses) respect for the fellow went up with his gracious comments at the end of the Brazilian race--and so if he says out loud what most of us have already thought, well, thats fine with me.

Personally because of the time gone by since the race, I dont really see it being changed, but his comments of being robbed....well, I do agree with him.

Mike_Wooshy · 2 Oct 2009, 13:11 (Ref:2552663)

I dont understand how he can come out and make this statement, he finnished twelthe. Even if the race didnt have the crash Im certain (if memory serves me correct) I think he was on for a top 10 finnish possibly grabbing a few points but nothing to that would have ultimately stop Lewis from winning the title anyway, I feel for the guy I do but I cant help he is kicking a fuss over "nothing".

parkingjedi · 2 Oct 2009, 13:25 (Ref:2552672)

...and if Hamilton had been 'reamed' in spa and and and and.....plenty of "ands". how ironic that Massa is whining now, but when in Hockenheim his season was summed up when he was embarrassed by the eventual champ Hamilton in a pitifully easy overtake and then couldn't catch up ironically enough Piquet, who beat him to second. Andy 325 - exactly, get over it son

Massa is "mixed plumbing" he runs hot and cold. If were more consistent like Fernando then he would have been champion. Fernando his going to very much overshadow him next year and I bet we hear plenty of whining and excuses from him again too.

kartracer41 · 2 Oct 2009, 13:39 (Ref:2552677)

I'm betting this is the typical media asks a specific question to force a specific answer, and then takes it out of context.

**Bononi** · 2 Oct 2009, 14:03 (Ref:2552686)

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Originally Posted by Super Hans

I've mentioned this elsewhere but I agree with you. He has no real ground for complaint, though Bononi (who is Brazilian) claims that what Massa really meant has been lost in translation.

Yes. Massa didn't say that he was robbed (or the title was a theft going to Hamilton), he said that that Renault - Briatore - manipulated the results. His anger was for Renault and Piquet Jnr. He said that in that interview that Piquet did right to tell the FIA, but he should have done this right after the race, which would eventually lead the race to be cancelled and then teh history of the 2008 season would be different. He didn't say that the title should be his, but I won't dispute that, or change the title of this thread. I'm really tired of all it has been said in the news, and as it involves brazilians, I started to pay attention how the foreign media uses parts of interviews to make sensationalism over a subject. It happened with Massa's accident and now with the Piquets. Unfortunately, they don't care because people would never doubt their attitude. So it's easy to get the "interesting bits" and mount "shocking news" out of context.
Anyone can say : "But he said that, because <insert the website here> and they are a reliable source", and that's all.
That's a shame.

**Bononi** · 2 Oct 2009, 14:09 (Ref:2552690)

Furthermore, I'm not defending Massa and or the Piquets. I know that Super Hans know it so well, but some members here might think otherwise.
I know Massa is ****ed at Piquet Jnr, and I have links - brazilians - to show that, and that's his main argument over the issue. I don't know what Ferrari tried to do related to the happenings.
Personally, Hamilton's title was more than deserved, he was "robbed" at Spa and he won the title by more than one point really.
If Massa think otherwise, then he certainly should do better next time to be sure he's really worth to have a WDC.

**Bononi** · 2 Oct 2009, 14:13 (Ref:2552691)

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Originally Posted by Mike_Wooshy

I dont understand how he can come out and make this statement, he finnished twelthe. Even if the race didnt have the crash Im certain (if memory serves me correct) I think he was on for a top 10 finnish possibly grabbing a few points but nothing to that would have ultimately stop Lewis from winning the title anyway, I feel for the guy I do but I cant help he is kicking a fuss over "nothing".

The point is that he thinks that Piquet should have alerted the FIA after the race and not when he was fired by the team, this way the race would be cancelled and maybe he would have a better chance to fight for the title. That was the context of his answer.

Super Hans · 2 Oct 2009, 14:54 (Ref:2552704)

Thanks for clearing it up Bon. When you take the spin off it, it doesn't seem like such an outrageous comment after all.

Mr V · 2 Oct 2009, 15:14 (Ref:2552715)

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Originally Posted by Bononi

If Massa think otherwise, then he certainly should do better next time to be sure he's really worth to have a WDC.

Come on mate, thats a bit harsh, sure he lucked into the Spa win, but the pit lane incident in Singapore and the engine blow up were out of his control. Had these 2 incidents not happened but not gained the win in Spa, he still would have had 7 wins to Lewis's 6. I don't know how he could have done much better.

**Born Racer** · 2 Oct 2009, 15:33 (Ref:2552721)

Out of curiosity Bononi, can you please post a link to what he said in Portuguese? (I speak Spanish and can sometimes understand a tiny bit of Portuguese).

Graz · 2 Oct 2009, 16:29 (Ref:2552758)

"Masssa says Title should be his"

Well it isn't Fellipe, so get over it buddy.

strider · 2 Oct 2009, 17:01 (Ref:2552780)

I think Felipe is barking up the wrong tree here and may do his image more harm than good. He shot up in my estimation in Brazil last year when he won the race and so nearly won the title, but took the loss of it in the most sporting and dignified way possible. That is how I prefer to remember his 2008 season, not like this.

The one I do feel sorry for is Nico Rosberg, who should have won the race. He has mentioned it briefly but moved on. That's a much better approach.

**Bononi** · 2 Oct 2009, 17:44 (Ref:2552796)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Born Racer

Out of curiosity Bononi, can you please post a link to what he said in Portuguese? (I speak Spanish and can sometimes understand a tiny bit of Portuguese).

Here's the video and the news in portuguese :

http://globoesporte.globo.com/Esport...+UM+ROUBO.html

F1Pete · 2 Oct 2009, 17:49 (Ref:2552800)

It just makes light of the situation where if Piquet Jr. ratted right after the race then Briatore and Symonds would have been gone and Piquet would be in a much better position today. No?

By the way, if Singapore 2008 would have been null and void after the race, how would the points been affected overall at the end of the season?

**Bononi** · 2 Oct 2009, 18:01 (Ref:2552806)

Quote:

Originally Posted by F1Pete

It just makes light of the situation where if Piquet Jr. ratted right after the race then Briatore and Symonds would have been gone and Piquet would be in a much better position today. No?

By the way, if Singapore 2008 would have been null and void after the race, how would the points been affected overall at the end of the season?

That's the whole point, you can't think of it as the way it ended. If Singapore results were cancelled right after the race then it could have been a different story, that's what Massa claimed.

ralf fan · 2 Oct 2009, 18:08 (Ref:2552809)

Ultimately he must look at his own team. If his pitstop hadn't been a disaster he would have still finished in 3rd ahead of Lewis giving him the title. Or if his engine hadn't blown up in Hungary, or the poor start in Australia or his general crappiness in Silverstone. He had ample opportunities and the team on most occasions or himself on a couple blew it.

Andy 325 · 2 Oct 2009, 20:49 (Ref:2552902)

Ah. All taken out of context by the bad old media eh? I can understand the guys frustration at events of the last months but please spare us the "taken out of context" routine. How many times have footballers for example given made negative comments to the media in their own country not thinking the rest of the world will know. Then two days later when it's in the media making some back tracking out of context remark.
Massa made a mistake in what he said and he probably realises that now.

The title was not won and lost in a single race. What if's are a waste of time.

Knowlesy · 3 Oct 2009, 01:43 (Ref:2553009)

Who is Masssa....Felipe's pet snake?

The Piquet incident could have harmed Massa's chances, might not have. I tend to think his error strewn races at Silverstone, Malaysia and Melbourne were somewhat more costly.

On the other hand he was gifted points at Belgium, China and Japan, whilst his main rival was handicapped most weekends for some 'infringement' or another.

Also a good result at Singapore for Massa would have possibly changed his and Hamiltons approach in races afterwards.

At the end of the day, the guy with the most points through a tricky season won.

ralf fan · 3 Oct 2009, 14:03 (Ref:2553246)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knowlesy

whilst his main rival was handicapped most weekends for some 'infringement' or another.

Ron, is that you?

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