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Messing with / Fixing the 2011 Calendar
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I'm one of the no doubt majority of posters here who think that the no-testing-during-the-year rule is ridiculous. However, I can see the advantages it has in cutting costs, and the most simple reason I can put this down to is: Can you imagine HRT in 2010 having the available resources to test 9+ times during the year? No, and this causes an unfair undvantage which is the whole thing the FIA is trying to remove. With that in mind, I thought I'd re-write a 2011 calendar which is fair. Fair to the teams that it gives them a chance to get some actual track running without seeing a large cost blowout; fair to the rookie drivers that it gives them a chance to avoid being dumped into a F1 car without any experience (see: Romain Grosjean), and fair to the fans, as it will give them more chances to see the F1 circus in action and more to discuss. February 1st - 3rd: Testing, all drivers, Circuit Ricardo Tormo, Valencia, Spain. 10th - 12th: Testing, all drivers, Circuito de Jerez, Jerez, Spain. 13th: Testing, rookie drivers, Circuito de Jerez, Spain. 18th - 20th: Testing, all drivers, Autódromo Internacional do Algarve, Portimao, Portugal. 25th - 28th: Testing, all drivers, Bahrain International Circuit, Sakhir, Bahrain. March 11th - 13th: Race, Round 1, Bahrain International Circuit, Sakhir, Bahrain. 25th - 27th: Race, Round 2, Albert Park Circuit, Melbourne, Australia. April 8th - 10th: Race, Round 3, Sepang International Circuit, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. 15th - 17th: Race, Round 4, Shanghai International Circuit, Jiading, China. May 6th - 8th: Race, Round 5, Istanbul Park, Istanbul, Turkey. 20th - 22nd: Race, Round 6, Circuit de Catalunya, Barcelona, Spain. 23rd - 25th: Testing, all drivers, Circuit de Catalunya, Barcelona, Spain. June 3rd - 5th: Race, Round 7, Circuit de Monaco, Monte-Carlo, Monaco. 17th - 19th: Race, Round 8, Circuit Gilles Villeneuve, Montreal, Canada. July 1st - 3rd: Race, Round 9, Valencia Street Circuit, Valencia, Spain. 8th - 10th: Race, Round 10, Silverstone Circuit, Northamptonshire, England. 11th - 12th: Testing, all drivers, Silverstone Circuit, Northamptonshire, England. 13th: Testing, rookie drivers, Silverstone Circuit, Northamptonshire, England. 22nd - 24th: Race, Round 11, Nurburgring, Nurburg, Germany. 29th - 31st: Race, Round 12, Hungaroring, Budapest, Hungary. August 4th - 6th: Testing, all drivers, Circuit de Nevers Magny-Cours, France. 7th: Testing, rookie drivers, Circuit de Nevers Magny-Cours, France. September 2nd - 4th: Race, Round 13, Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps, Spa, Belgium. 9th - 11th: Race, Round 14, Autodromo Nazionale Monza, Monza, Italy. 23rd - 25th: Race, Round 15, Marina Bay Street Circuit, Marina Bay, Singapore. October 7th - 9th: Race, Round 16, Suzuka Circuit, Suzuka, Japan. 14th - 16th: Race, Round 17, Korean International Circuit, Yeongam, South Korea. 17th - 19th: Testing, all drivers, Korean International Circuit, Yeongam, South Korea. 28th - 30th: Race, Round 18, Jaypee Group Circuit, Greater Noida, India. November 11th - 13th: Race, Round 19, Yas Marina Circuit, Abu Dhabi. 25th - 27th: Race, Round 20, Autodromo Jose Carlos Pace, Sao Paulo, Brazil. There it is! Feel free to discuss, criticise, edit etc. |
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Just a quick thought....I'd have thought that testing would be preferred before racing at a circuit, rather than immediately after a GP....
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That would make it more FP time though. I'd go for Monday tests if you want them at GP venues, or midweek if otherwise so third drivers can still do GP2/WSR/Sportscars. I'd add two two day tests as a start, with the first day of each just for test/reserve drivers. Possibly would add some mileage for junior drivers as well.
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Would anyone want to test at Silverstone or in Spain or in Korea on circuits they won't be back to for another year, in the next season, in a completely different car? Surely the testing should be before the race not after? |
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If you allow more "testing" at the circuit before the race this will simply be more practice time which the teams will use to produce an even more perfect setup for the race and will further close performance differences between cars and drivers leading to a more predictable less interesting race. This would be another nail in the coffin for F1. Testing time after the race will be no use as practice time as the race will already be over so the teams will use it for trying new parts and developing the car's performance and their understanding of the car in a more general sense, this is what testing is supposed to be about and has the potential to allow the teams to get some testing at the lowest possible cost. |
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23 Feb 2011, 14:19 (Ref:2835651) | #9 | ||
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easy fix. cancel bahrain. race 2x china.
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IIRC they weren't actually that far off the pace of Virgin and Lotus last season, despite not ever putting a single performance update on their car! Oh, and they beat Virgin in both championships! P.S. This thread is about fixing the 2011 calendar. Maybe Bahrain will get squeezed in at the end somewhere? BE will want to get his money somehow. |
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23 Feb 2011, 23:39 (Ref:2835932) | #12 | ||
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They'd have to build 3 or 4 more new tracks first, because Guangdong, Ordos, and Zhuhai are NOT going to cut it for Bernie.
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Or allows teams unlimited laps without engine/gearbox/tyre restrictions/penalties on Friday mornings with a third car, for which ever driver they want (since all the teams are basically testing with only one car now anyway.)
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24 Feb 2011, 06:46 (Ref:2835998) | #14 | |
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I'm still waiting for Bernie to run half the races at Paul Ricard.
Line it with concrete walls and call it a street race at Valencia. Run another layout at night (Singapore) Put up Hollywood studio type facades, line one of its twisty layouts with Armco and pretend its Monaco. Pick a fast layout and put up artifical trees around the edge and call it Monza, Pick another layout and cover everything with sand, call it Bahrain, put up fancy white facades around another layout and call it Abu Dhabi. You could run 6 races in a six week period and keep it secret then play them all out later in the year.... just drop them in at an appropriate time to keep the championship race exciting.... It would also create more time for the teams and their personnel to spread their holidays out, less stress travelling, space the calendar better. I'm surprised Bernie hasn't tried it already... |
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24 Feb 2011, 11:24 (Ref:2836101) | #15 | ||
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Apollo Program Moon landing conspiracy theory, love it!!!
Why only half the races, make it all of them, think of the energy miles you you save, it would make F1 the greenest motor sport in the world. Bernie wouldn't want to do it at Paul Richard though as all the current F1 promoters and circuits go broke paying the fees!!! |
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Why not take the $200 million, pay Bernie $20 mil a year for 10 years for running a GP with your country/city's name on it at Ricard, and save yourself the headache of running a GP in your own country? If Melbourne is costing the ratepayers $30 million a year wouldn't it be better to run the Australian GP at Ricard, pay Bernie $20 million for the fee and save all the hassle from the nimby's (Not In My Back Yard) and environmentalists etc back home. A no hassle GP..... |
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As Sakhir is off the list by now, the final test before the season opener was scheduled to be at Barcelona. But why that track? Every track that hosts a World Championship round should get an official test no often than once a year if at all. Barcelona is so over-tested that it's boring watching the race every year. And they did test at Portimao once.
And why that test at Yeongam, of all places? Yes, they are already there and do not need to travel for the testing only, but yet, why Yeongam and not, say, Jaypee, for example? If the Tilke circuits weren't so faceless, this question probably would not arise. |
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i think it could be interesting if they could instead of having a test get all the teams together and run a simulation/race with a different format and rules.
for example try out reverse grids and sprint races, experiment and tweak the movable rear wing rules, have a race which moves from dry to artificial wet conditions. do the things that people talk about but can never try out (probably for good reason) but just to get a sense of something different. also in part inspired by the hockey and basketball skills competitions it would be cool to see drivers compete in various challenges like who can attack this series of corners the best, who drives best in the rain, and even let drivers exchange cars etc. too late to have it in place of Bahrain (although they already s a global TV audience with no race to watch) but an event like this at the end of the year where they can celebrate the champion and have some fun. or is this just too silly and would cost too much money? it sounds awesome in my head though. |
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i love your ideas, d_t, lots of the time they're just totally unworkable but they definitely make me think sideways! top quality stuff.
in what ways would that make motorsport grow? do you mean in a showing f1 fans stuff outside f1 is great too way? |
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That, as well as showcasing motorsport in countries where it's not so big. They might have not heard of any drivers since Schumacher, but give them three local boys in three cars in national flags. It would need a paradigm shift in motorsport, particularly my big bonnet bee - the great single seater mess. It's not totally unworkable though, it would just need the will to do it.
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