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17 May 2010, 17:56 (Ref:2692714) | #1 | |||
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Technical regulations for 2011 and beyond
Two weeks ago Autosport Magazine reported about the new technical rules for DTM:
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Earlier this year forum member Japanese Samurai posted this from Japanese Autosport magazine in the Super GT topic: Quote:
So we can conclude the cars will not be much different from the current cars. The only major change is that the cars will have more spec parts. How the aerodynamics parts will look is still unclear. I have read somewere Mercedes want to change to 5L V8 engines. |
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18 May 2010, 10:39 (Ref:2693175) | #2 | |
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What about silhouettes? It will be GT-shaped, like japanese, or touring-shaped, like german?
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18 May 2010, 17:04 (Ref:2693429) | #3 | ||
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Won't there be only a spec monocoque and using subframes teams will be able to build sedans or coupes? And how will those cars be equalized with Super GT machinery? Restrictors and tyre width?
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27 May 2010, 15:47 (Ref:2699338) | #4 | |
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Mercedes will not enter a 2012 rules car in 2011.
http://www.touringcartimes.com/article.php?id=4830 Gentleman agreement between the manufacturers? |
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27 May 2010, 22:03 (Ref:2699585) | #5 | ||
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They can't be Sillhouette's if they are talking VLN here... Whatever does happen, and if it does merge with Super GT and Grand-Am to create universal regs, I hope to see lots of different shapes of cars racing together
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28 May 2010, 17:31 (Ref:2700051) | #7 | ||
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And then there's the German rapper Smudo, who from time to time enters a Bio diesel Renault Megane Trophy, but I don't think that one has ever run...
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They need to axe all the aero off the rear fenders, and make the bodies out of something a bit more durable than carbon fibre.
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30 Jun 2010, 06:21 (Ref:2720181) | #9 | ||
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In case a spec chassis is a real future for DTM, then I don't want to waste my time watching it.
Even with two manufacturers now there's some space for difference. Merc's suspension and Audi's aero (isn't R14 a some kind of prototype for R15?). They suit different tracks. I really waited for some union between DTM and SGT. And now they say it will be a full spec chassis. It'll be awful. Cheap Legends cup of some sort. |
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1 Jul 2010, 21:31 (Ref:2720959) | #11 | ||
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Unfortunately, I'm an engineer, and when I watch autosport event I'd like to see pilots + constructors battle. If DTM gets a spec chassis (I wonder what ugly cars they are going to have) then Superstars will became a way more sensible choice for me. DTM bosses had a chance to rebuild a some kind of International Group 5, but, as it seems, they didn't use it.
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2 Jul 2010, 11:27 (Ref:2721080) | #13 | ||
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For some of us, part of the appeal is seeing manufacturers and teams take totally different approaches to winning within a basic set of rules- FWD v RWD, turbo v non-turbo etc If I want to see how different drivers perform given exactly the same car I'll go and watch Porsche Supercup, Renault Clios or one of the spec single-seater classes- and often with saloon/touring car one-make series you might end up with incredibly close races, but you can also sometimes end up with cars that are incredibly dull to watch and driving standards that deteriorate into a total crashfest..... Would you go to watch Le Mans if it was run for spec Porsche GT3 Cup cars? |
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2 Jul 2010, 14:28 (Ref:2721158) | #14 | |
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But to dismiss pro drivers in semi or full-spec because you saw weekend racers wrecking their cars is not being a fan of the actual racing. You are confusing being a fan of a technical aspect, something that unfortunately has a bad habit of killing off entries as costs rise, with being a fan of the action on track. Sometimes rules have to be restricted to keep one team or manufacturer from out spending the field and buying their success. Sorry but that sucks in every sport, highest payroll should translate to some success but to say it should guarantee wins is stupid.
As for watching LM if it was GT3 Cup cars, how many people stopped watching when half the field was various Porsches and only they really had a shot at winning? It's about how the PROFESSIONAL drivers handle similar cars that can really shake out who the best is in a series. I would like to see the team be able to contribute and modify things but if a spec monocoque, chassis is used without ANY exterior bodywork is involved to allow more teams a chance, how can that be a bad thing in the long run? If your choice is a 2 car dominated race or a lot more cars having a chance, and your choice is the 2 cars winning all the time, the series is doomed to failure. No sponsors will want to come in just to say well our cars came in 3rd or fourth. New teams may be happy with just finishing but sponsors want wins or at least runs up front. |
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Of course every decision has some advantages. Maybe it's good for show, but as for me, I don't watch NASCAR at all. I wouldn't mind if that new DTM is going to be a superstar, but in that case it becomes just 'one of that things'. Nothing special. Of course, it's ego, but I think so.
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At the very least I'd like to see cars with similar dimensions to the road car and limited aero.
I'd also ban carbon body panels and use engines much closer to those in the road car. |
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3 Jul 2010, 12:27 (Ref:2721441) | #17 | |
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The new DTM regs are not published but according the rumours teams can still develop their own suspension and aero.
NASCAR has very strict regs but the Chevrolets of Hendrick are different (chassis and engine) of the Chevrolets of Childress. It would be great if there are only a few rules but that's not realistic. |
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3 Jul 2010, 13:05 (Ref:2721459) | #18 | ||
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So the tie-up with SuperGT isn't dead? Oreca, Lola and Dallara are interested in building the tub. |
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8 Jul 2010, 14:45 (Ref:2723543) | #19 | ||
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Super GT/DTM-rules merger now scheduled for 2015, DTM cars will however be allowed to run in SGT from 2013.
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10 Aug 2010, 20:11 (Ref:2742658) | #20 | ||
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http://www.racecar-engineering.com/n...-for-2012.html - For 2012 Super GT will open itself to four door saloons, KERS and the freeze on in season aero development will be lifted.
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/d...n-2206433.html - more common in package, 50% less expensive, DTM cars are able to start 6 Grand Am and 6 NASCAR-ruled (???) races. What's going on?! |
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11 Aug 2010, 06:46 (Ref:2742890) | #21 | ||
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Maybe, support races during NASCAR road-going events? How many road races held in NASCAR? Sonoma, Watkins Glen, Road America, Montreal - that's all what I know. I've heard about mexican 2nd division race some years ago, but I don't know is it still exist. |
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11 Aug 2010, 07:48 (Ref:2742913) | #22 | |
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KERS was not on the list of http://www.touringcartimes.com/news.php?id=4326 So I guess not.
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11 Aug 2010, 08:31 (Ref:2742935) | #24 | ||
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AFAIK they plan half their races with Grand Am and half of them on NASCAR-weekends.
The 15-20 cars will indeed be the hard part, as Aufrecht has also acknowledged in various interviews... |
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Now I see why Eki is spending a lot of time at NASCAR events. A new Stuck for North America Audi?
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