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[WEC] Alpine Hypercar Discussion
I don't know if maybe I missed the thread, but is no one talking about the Alpine A424 LMDh that will debut next year?
Quite a good looking car, with design cuses (IMO) from the GR010, Caddy and Acura LMDh. Mecachrome 3.4 Single Turbo V6 Quote:
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Was there an actual car unveiled? Or just these drawings?
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I can't imagine much different since it's the Acura Oreca base and you can see a ton of it in the render.
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Why have they specified “single turbo” is that significant?
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Because their PR department felt they need to put emphasis on something that differs them from competition? That engine was terrible in LMP1 so I assume it's significantly upgraded compared to version that raced in 2018.
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... but the thing is, looking at the rear facing image, there is a dual exhaust. Hmmmm... |
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I assume twin turbos aren’t banned? If not why would you want just a single turbo?
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I believe the Acura, BMW and Lamborghini are all TT, V6 and 2V8s if I'm not mistaken
I was confused about contract engine in an LMDh with the announcement but guess I was under the impression LMDh required an engine from the manufacturer catalog. I guess the Acura ain't really coming from one of their cars so maybe not so much required Last edited by broadrun96; 9 Jun 2023 at 23:53. |
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Hopefully, Mecachrome does a better job than the last engine they put in a prototype...
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A hybrid can do that and better. It’ll be easy for them to match the determined power through the rev range. Easy peasy. |
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This was the first I had seen this video, that is a car and not a render, but I do wonder if that is just a conceptual roller. Have to imagine there aren't working parts in there. |
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They call it the A424 Beta, so it seems its still not the final version.
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Well, according to Sportscar365.com, Doornan has said that when Alpine gets homologation and reaches a commercial agreement with IMSA, the A424B could be eligible to run in the WeatherTech Sports car Championship.
It would be a great racing comparison to the Acura, since both have the Oreca chassis as basis. It would come down to the powertrain, Honda's V6 vs the Meccachrome(Renault) V6. |
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Which will both have extremely similar power curves! It’s more likely the tyre pressures will be the differentiator.
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Also aero differences (slight but cars probably won't be identical in that aspect), hybrid software, teams running the cars, maybe something else Alpine/Renault in IMSA is something I look forward to but until an official announcement is made, I'm a bit skeptical
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Mecachrome has got a long time experience of the V6 because they've been the official Renault supplier (refurbishing F1 engines). In spite of this, all did not go as a dream when it came to design their in house engines… Together with the tyre pressures it will be interesting to see the fuel management between the two engines.
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Definitely this. While the power output will be the same, how you use this to influence the dynamics of the car is a really interesting area. Acura have really targeted this area.
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I'm quite doubting alpine would run in IMSA. The manufacturer buy in doesn't really feel worth it for someone who sells no cars in North America. Could it be rebranded?
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Rebranded? Don't think so. The Camaro venue at LM was supported by FIA, ACO, NASCAR and IMSA if I'm correct, they must be following a global program. Funny enough, in the 60's Alpines were built not only in France but in Brasil (rebranded Interlagos), Bulgaria (Bulgaralpine), Mexico (Dinalpin) and Spain. As you suggest, I don't think the message "remember our international past" or "Tesla, here we are" will impress a north american consumer! Back to tyre pressures and real racing then?
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