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17 Jun 2002, 06:24 (Ref:315192)
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CART calendar 2003 (Portland grapevine)
Heard in the Portland paddock from team members:
- strong possibility of a race in Brazil next season. Most likely location is the Nelson Piquet circuit (Jacarepaguá road course) in Rio de Janeiro. Race would be managed by Emerson Fittipaldi. A CART person said that this is "80% sure" as of today. - Vancouver looks increasingly likely to face the chop and being dropped from the calendar. Portlander insiders take this news as "certain". - Portland has been confirmed to be part of the 2003 CART calendar. The track has got a one-year agreement only, though. - news that the Northwest event could be transferred from Portland to the Seattle International Raceway are wide off the mark. SIR is undergoing improvements but its facilities are very basic (even compared to a track like Portland, which is very bare - elucidatory comparison to folks in the UK: Snetterton has much better facilities than Portland). Also, SIR continues to face pressure from neighbors due to noise complains. |
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17 Jun 2002, 13:54 (Ref:315432)
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<crosses fingers, closes eyes, and chants> VIR... VIR... VIR... VIR... VIR...
A Jacarapagua race will be very good. It's a very fast, open driver's circuit, and should suit the champcars perfectly. Here's an old onboard I found, if anyone's unfarmiliar with the track. It's a 6mb download, so be warned. It's a good one, though. You can hear Patrese's tires squealing in protest thru these high-G corners.  http://video.f1gp.ru/tracks/jacarepagua.mpg |
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17 Jun 2002, 15:47 (Ref:315469)
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Emo Fittipaldi was quoted as saying there will be a race in Brazil in 2004. Chris Pook was asked about it on the air, and acted surprised. He said he respects Emo, but nothing has been decided. His concern right now is 2003, not 2004.
Nowhere was Brazil in '03 mentioned, even by Fittipaldi. I too would like to see them race at the unique Jacarapagua circuit. |
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17 Jun 2002, 16:56 (Ref:315511)
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nooo, Vancouver no!
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17 Jun 2002, 17:14 (Ref:315531)
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They MUST not get rid of the Vancouver race! Its one of the best.
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17 Jun 2002, 19:28 (Ref:315628)
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Not to sound overly patriotic, but the Canadian events are always sellouts. Montreal remains to be seen, but it will be too.
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17 Jun 2002, 20:48 (Ref:315677)
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just because it's Greg home race!
please no, CART! |
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17 Jun 2002, 21:24 (Ref:315695)
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Vancouver is the fifth-best attended CART race (not including Mexico City, sure to climb to no. 1) it doesn't make sence to axe it.
Vancouver also has a loyal title sponsor in Molson and fantastically passionate and knowledgeable fans. When their race was threatened last year, Vancouverians (?) began a letter writing campaign to Joe Heitzler that ended up saving their race. Fans in Nazareth and Michigan had no such interest and now host the IRL. Why **** off the loyal Vancover fan base???? |
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17 Jun 2002, 22:36 (Ref:315745)
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Well, _I'd_ love to see a road race in BC. Vancouver just isn't a very exciting race most years. It's a shame Westwood is gone. Mission Park's way too small for CART... It's too bad, the area's so perfect for a fast, sprawling complex.
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17 Jun 2002, 23:18 (Ref:315768)
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Sorry to post so much in one topic, but I was looking at Vancouver on Mapquest... Has Stanley Park been considered as a site for the race? The perimiter roads of the park would seem to make at least an interesting course.
I'm guessing the roads are way too narrow, but I figured I might as well ask the locals.
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18 Jun 2002, 01:18 (Ref:315792)
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While it would make a beautiful backdrop, I doubt the locals would accept it for a number of reasons. Add to that, you'd have to cut down a number of old growth trees to make room for grandstands, etc. There's no way they'd allow that. the roads are all pretty narrow, and there's no room for run off (would have to cut down trees. Also, the main road there is probably the most important link in VAncouver - shutting it down even for the weekend would create havoc. Anyway, you get the idea...
Hopefully there's somewhere else.. |
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18 Jun 2002, 09:01 (Ref:315913)
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F***, there may be no passing, but it's always huge crowds there! Vancouver no, please!
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18 Jun 2002, 20:51 (Ref:316485)
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There have been some discussions as recently as two seasons ago as to moving the Vancouver race to the airport...
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18 Jun 2002, 22:39 (Ref:316566)
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The airport? I assume they mean some small airport somewhere.. Vancouver Intl. is just pretty much the gateway to asia for the West coast of North America...not to mention the gateway to western Canada from the east...noway it would get shutdown for anytime..even a portion of it.
There are a few smaller ones around though, that might do it. |
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19 Jun 2002, 00:16 (Ref:316596)
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The current Vancouver track is rubbish. I have no problem with them racing in Vancouver as it is one of the most beautiful cities in the world. But that track is very ordinary.
Excuse me if I'm wrong, but have CART not been having big problems with the local Vancouver authorities for years? Wasn't this the reason for the massive track change between 1997 and 1998? |
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19 Jun 2002, 02:40 (Ref:316637)
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Hmm... Airport race?
Okay, I got bored and cooked up a pair of ideas for how to use Boundary Bay Airport, which is about half an hour southeast of Vancouver. One's tight and slow, but safe. The other's frighteningly fast, but with some very good overtaking opportunities. And yes, I know I need a life... 
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19 Jun 2002, 02:41 (Ref:316639)
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And the other one...
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19 Jun 2002, 05:24 (Ref:316681)
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I'm kinda with Mac- I much prefer the old layout...
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19 Jun 2002, 06:49 (Ref:316703)
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wasn't there some discussion somewhere about adding on Adelaide as a street circuit?
Hope so |
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19 Jun 2002, 06:55 (Ref:316708)
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Portland will be on through 2003 for sure. Basically, after that, if Portland goes, then Vancouver goes. Even though it is a well attended event, CART is committed to cutting costs to it's teams, and Vancouver would be a LONG way to travel for one event. On the 2003 schedule, look for Portland and Vancouver to be back-to-back, cutting costs for teams. Beyond that, it depends on whether PIR and CART renew the contract...my sources say yes, that will happen
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19 Jun 2002, 06:56 (Ref:316709)
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In addition, there is NO talk about moving the event from Exhibition Place.
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19 Jun 2002, 07:16 (Ref:316716)
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Lee Janotta's airport is a 30 minute drive? Sounds very feasible and I wonder if CART has considered it. I agree that the current configuration leaves much to be desired.
Wasn't it only three or fours years ago that Andrew Craig was suggesting that Vancouver might be cut from the schedule? CART was complaining that the track layout was different every year because of major construction in the Vancouver area, and they wanted something more consistent. And I'm not sure if the success of Vancouver and Portland are so dependant upon eachother. CART travels a long way to put on their show in Australia, for example. Of course, now that I think about it, the travelling expenses for overseas events are generally paid for by the promoter. The more races in Canada the better. After hockey season ends, we need some excitement up here! lol. Which instinctively leads me to take this opportunity to brag that "my" Detroit Red Wings are Stanley Cup Champions! Thank-you very much. |
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19 Jun 2002, 07:22 (Ref:316717)
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During the late 90's and through the 2000 season, Vancouver was on the chopping block. However, after a re-assessment of CART's markets, it was determined that the Vancouver market is very important to the success and growth of CART in the northeast.
Chris Pook is trying to cut cost where he can in 2003, look for the schedule to be blocked by region as much as possible to minimize travel costs, one of the main complaints among team owners. |
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19 Jun 2002, 10:24 (Ref:316815)
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travel cost... damn, Vancouver is not even overseas...
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19 Jun 2002, 11:17 (Ref:316858)
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Don't think an airport 30 mins drive will attract many spectators. The whole point of a street circuit is that it's in the city center and accessable by public transport.
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