drifting to support Cart!?

nsxr · 23 Dec 2003, 19:57 (Ref:819320)

has anyone noticed the fact that both CART and the IRL say they will have drifting as supports to there races. NO! drifting is still small, we dont have the number of pros the Japanese have so you might only get cars 10 if that. Sadly most drifters use there daily drivers so this wont work. OR show drifting in a good light. Maybe in a few years we can support CART. it would be a good move. Get drifitng out of ovals and parking lots.and onto the circuits to show what real drifting is.How does the irl sappose we do this? its a road course series , maybe on there road races then.

macdaddy · 23 Dec 2003, 20:01 (Ref:819324)

No, I really haven't noticed.

The Snout · 23 Dec 2003, 20:45 (Ref:819357)

Ok, I need some schooling, what is drifting anyway ? Sounds like something to do with the import crowd.

KC · 23 Dec 2003, 21:00 (Ref:819367)

Drifting is a contest where a oversteer driving is used and scoring is based on style and such. I believe that the D1 Grand Prix that was held at Irwindale Speedway in California went well with a large crowd and good car count. If CART can use D1 to attract a few new fans then go for it.

The Snout · 23 Dec 2003, 21:17 (Ref:819377)

Thanks KC, sounds like figure skating on Bridgestone's.

Anyway it's all part of the show and I'd be curious to see it.

Emfa · 23 Dec 2003, 21:42 (Ref:819411)

I heard about a comment from Mr. Gentilozzi that he wanted to pick up a drifting series... but... I don't think this is quite what he had in mind.

Maybe you should suggest it to him though, nsxr!

gttouring · 23 Dec 2003, 21:42 (Ref:819412)

I can go drift, i have the car, just need 10K to bring it up to appearances

so maybe the car count will be up to 11

drifting at Long Beach would be the ideal place, and cleavland- but it is a smaller exhibition type event, i can't imagine they let this follow the series around, the SCCA has a stiff one for this as they think it will attract more members- of course the SCCA and OWRS need to realize that Racing is what really matters, and this needs a better lead in to racing, hopefully SpeedTC and SpeedGT.
its fun, to watch for sure.

nsxr · 23 Dec 2003, 21:45 (Ref:819413)

thanks for the support, but heres the problem there are 3-5 drivers who are D1 capable plus maybe that many cars. I think this is a better idea for down the road.Sadly drifting has become the new booty shaking contest that all promoters wont to have in there events.This needs time to develope.It took ten years to form the d1 so just wait it will be well worth it.

nsxr · 23 Dec 2003, 21:48 (Ref:819416)

oh yeah side story to all this most drifters dont trust the $CCA and feel they'll not handle or promote the series well {Formula Drift in 2004}

dirtfan · 23 Dec 2003, 21:51 (Ref:819422)

Drifting is to RACING as figure skating is to HOCKEY!!

paul-collins · 23 Dec 2003, 21:57 (Ref:819430)

... or as halfpipe is to downhill. Entertaining, perhaps; competition, I don't think so.

gttouring · 23 Dec 2003, 22:00 (Ref:819433)

I don't thin kthe SCCA and those 2 college kids of "slipstream global marketing" have the minerals and the SCCA the real 'in the scene' staff members to get this going right, the NHRA, IHRA or NOPI will have a better chance organizing this and promoting it best, maybe with conjunction of SCCA to offer a SOLO competition at drag meets or something, this won't work simply with Roadracing, no one will get it, it is quite hard to drift really well, but even harder to do a clean lap with out the drift by accident. SCCA isn't going to make it clear and road racing may look dull or 'easy' in comparison- they need to link up spectator talents, test their skills in an autcross and note that drifting is slower (unless its on dirt) then they can appreciate the car control for what it is and learn to love a fast lap, as of now this is totally lost on so many of my friends. Isn't Formula D (drift) a 4 event series- i wonder where and when this'll happen

PaulSands · 23 Dec 2003, 23:12 (Ref:819497)

Quote:

Originally posted by dirtfan
Drifting is to RACING as figure skating is to HOCKEY!!

hard as nails those figure skaters though

you'll never hear a bad word against them from me..many a long night waiting for my kid's hockey practice to start lightened by the presence of long legs and short skirts

GP Racer · 24 Dec 2003, 00:25 (Ref:819550)

Drifting is not racing. Its a bunch of kids doing donuts which are scored by judges, if you can believe that!

I used to take my Chevelle SS, with a 454 CI engine(no 2 litre, I can tell you!), and do donuts in the local parking lots just for the hell of it. The only judges present, were the girls I was trying to impress! Now its serious business, right up there with the X Games! You know, skateboarding and bike riding. Wow, I was never able to master those skills either. That somebody is actually able to make a living at stuff like this is amazing to this forty something year old guy, and that people would pay to see "events" that we all did as kids for fun, well it's just abit unbelievable.

Don't mind me, I'm just the "angry old man"! I'm leaving now...

Snrub · 24 Dec 2003, 02:33 (Ref:819618)

Racing is something quantifyable (who crosses the line first) and therefore drifting is not racing. Drifting can be entertaining but calling it a support series is demeaning to both the headlining series and support series. Perhaps include drifting as a form of intermission.

Not quiet my cup of tea, but a Silva/240sx with a SR20DET is no joke and can run some pretty competitive 1/4 miles times.

dirtfan · 24 Dec 2003, 02:53 (Ref:819624)

Isn't "drifting on dirt" also called WRC or also (pardon me Dov) Sprint car racing?
Side by side slalom is more fun to watch than timed runs, and qualifying is BORING unless you understand the lines.
They had an exhibition of X-Game type motorcycle jumping at the WinterNationals, but after a few Nak-Naks, people started drifting back to the pits to watch the Top Fuel engine rebuilding thrashes and get their Nitro fix.
Maybe if they had the Bud Girls doing it....

gaines · 24 Dec 2003, 03:23 (Ref:819634)

Quote:

Drifting is to RACING as figure skating is to HOCKEY!! -Dirtfan

Let the record state, this is the greatest quote ever on this board. All I can say to this is 100% correct. Who gives a **** about who can go through the corners the prettiest? You know what I care about? Who can get through the corners, and the whole course for that matter, the fastest! You get the checkers I cheer your butt off, you look cute and finish twelth I call you Rocketsports. Bring on Paul Tracy and the "Get the Hell out of my way, I'm trying to win a freaking race!" gang.

gttouring · 24 Dec 2003, 16:04 (Ref:820049)

here here gaines- well said.

Jay · 24 Dec 2003, 16:11 (Ref:820052)

Personally I don't see what the big deal is - we also have a bunch of pretty girls in skin tight suits playing beach volleyball at the Molson Indy Toronto - that certainly isn't racing, but you don't see people going all ape over that.

Jordi · 24 Dec 2003, 16:21 (Ref:820057)

Exactly, Jay.

gaines · 25 Dec 2003, 17:21 (Ref:820438)

The Molson Indy is a major event in Canada. You can't say the same for the American races anymore. Mexico's races, major events. Autralia's race, major event. It's going to take more than the Molson girls to get us back on track. I don't think anybody's going ape I just think people are tired of having garbage thrown our way at the race track. I'd rather watch some good feeders series races and get to see our future than watch some tricksters spinning their wheels. I don't want to turn champ car into a freaking monster truck type show. Next thing you know we'll have the "World's loudest motorcycle" lined up with that ridiculous jet engine. I just want to see the racing product get better. Trans Am brings that. I'm not sure drifting does that.

By the way, half naked beer girls have been apart of racing since the beginning of time. Young girls want to be paid to show their breasts and butts and old farts want to slobber all over themselves watching them do it. Such is life.

dirtfan · 26 Dec 2003, 19:34 (Ref:820867)

Hey...
I do NOT slobber all over myself!
I do it discreetly so my wife doesn't catch me.

Jordi · 26 Dec 2003, 20:00 (Ref:820883)

The question might not be "What can we do in addition to CART to attract people?" but "Why does people not come if the product and the racing is great?"

Particularly in the United States.

gttouring · 27 Dec 2003, 15:50 (Ref:821298)

because not many people know when, where, why it happenning- not to mention who is involved and what is actually taking place. stupid promoters.

GP Racer · 27 Dec 2003, 16:23 (Ref:821320)

Gt, I couldn't have said it better myself, and I was trying!

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