[V8SC10R01&02] Abu Dhabi, Yas Marina (Merged x1) INCL SPOILERS!

Razor · 19 Nov 2009, 00:46 (Ref:2584694)

Yas Marina looks like it's going to have a day race and a night race.

http://www.v8supercars.com.au/conten...ace_announced/

Mixer · 19 Nov 2009, 02:06 (Ref:2584735)

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Tony Cochrane, Executive Chairman of V8 Supercars Australia Championship Series, said, “We could not have asked for a better way to start the 2010 season: the first V8 Supercar race at Yas Marina Circuit, the first V8 Supercar race under lights. Fans and spectators are going to get a fantastic show at this amazing new world class circuit.”

What about Calder Park 1997 Tony?

Still, this will be awesome.

anthony81901 · 19 Nov 2009, 05:06 (Ref:2584779)

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Originally Posted by Mixer

What about Calder Park 1997 Tony?

Technically the whole circuit wasn't lit just the main straight and fairly dimly in comparison to the Abu Dhabi circuit. V8s also raced in night races at the Brock Challenge at Calder in 95 and the Eastern Creek round in 96, but these were pre TC running the show so don't count in V8SC's view on history.

NaBUru38 · 19 Nov 2009, 18:00 (Ref:2585228)

I can't believe that my cross-pond Argentine TC2000 championship beat no less than the WTCC, DTM and V8SA in having a race under true floodlights: the 2009 Grand Prix of Santa Fe.

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Originally Posted by anthony81901

these were pre TC running the show so don't count in V8SC's view on history.

That's only what matters anyway in these days

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Chris - Melb · 19 Nov 2009, 22:54 (Ref:2585413)

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Originally Posted by anthony81901

Technically the whole circuit wasn't lit just the main straight and fairly dimly in comparison to the Abu Dhabi circuit.

I was there for that event and more than just the main straight was under lights. The main straight had the permanent drag strip lighting, and the rest of the circuit had more spasmodic temporary generator powered lighting.

It was nowhere near as good as the lighting we have seen on international circuits recently, but it was absolutely a race under lights.

By the way, those night races at Calder Park were fabulous. I think the fact that the lighting wasn't perfect added to the drama of the evenings. Better than any daylight race meeting at Phillip Island, Sandown or Winton.

Pic here of Wayne Gardner

Mixer · 19 Nov 2009, 23:29 (Ref:2585435)

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Originally Posted by Chris - Melb

By the way, those night races at Calder Park were fabulous. I think the fact that the lighting wasn't perfect added to the drama of the evenings. Better than any daylight race meeting at Phillip Island, Sandown or Winton.

I'm with you, those races were fantastic, it had almost a European endurance feel to it. Unfortunately now probably the OH&S crew would make it impossible to repeat.

Still, this Abu Dhabi race will be mental I reckon. Bahrain produced some cracking racing so this should be really interesting.

I thought the Shanghai race produced good racing too and I love to see our Aussie V8s at some of these amazing exotic locations.

Can you imagine seeing the V8s running around at Silverstone, Monza or Monaco???

rich07 · 20 Nov 2009, 02:19 (Ref:2585511)

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Originally Posted by Chris - Melb

By the way, those night races at Calder Park were fabulous. I think the fact that the lighting wasn't perfect added to the drama of the evenings. Better than any daylight race meeting at Phillip Island, Sandown or Winton.

Couldn't agree more, if it had've been run during the day it wouldnt be the same, I remember being there and really enjoying it, love to see it happen again-but it won't.

racer69 · 20 Nov 2009, 05:45 (Ref:2585552)

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Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

It doesn't seem to be up on youtube anymore, but I definitely watched something on there about a calder night race in 96 or 97. The 99 round still seems to be up though, surely not a case of VESA rewriting history again?

It is a case of that.

The only Calder night races for V8s were 1995 (non-championship 'Peter Brock Classic') and the 1997 ATCC round mentioned in the thread.

Eastern Creek had a night race for the V8s in 1996, rd1 of that years ATCC

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Originally Posted by Chris - Melb

I was there for that event and more than just the main straight was under lights. The main straight had the permanent drag strip lighting, and the rest of the circuit had more spasmodic temporary generator powered lighting.

Isn't that what we want though, good lighting at the startline/pitarea, then a few lights round the circuit. The cars have headlights, and night racing is another driving skill.

I don't really see much point if the track is so lit you can leave the headlights off.

Tourer · 20 Nov 2009, 07:42 (Ref:2585565)

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Originally Posted by racer69

Isn't that what we want though, good lighting at the startline/pitarea, then a few lights round the circuit. The cars have headlights, and night racing is another driving skill.

I don't really see much point if the track is so lit you can leave the headlights off.

I agree that its a much better spectacle live at the track with lower light but it is terrible for TV when the cars have their lights on. All that ends up happening is a lot of flare as the cars head towards cameras that have been adjusted down for low light. I'd reckon that'll be why a low light night race is unlikely.

peckstar · 19 Nov 2009, 08:56 (Ref:2584862)

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Originally Posted by Mixer

What about Calder Park 1997 Tony?

Still, this will be awesome.

Wasnt the calder Park race in 1995? (The Peter Brock Challenge) If it was it was pre V8 Supercars. it also was not a round of the championship.

Mixer · 19 Nov 2009, 09:51 (Ref:2584886)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

Wasnt the calder Park race in 1995? (The Peter Brock Challenge) If it was it was pre V8 Supercars. it also was not a round of the championship.

It definitely was not '95. Skaife still had the Winfield sponsorship in '95.

Besides, Tony didn't say the first "championship" race.

I am positive it was 1997, as I clearly remember Skaife with the largely sponsorless VS locking up the rear brakes at the end of the Calder straight with disc brakes glowing, and the dust in his lights created an amazing effect, which I managed to get a photo of. Said photo hung over the boardroom table of Gibson motor sport for some time.

STEALTHY · 19 Nov 2009, 10:20 (Ref:2584908)

Does it really matter? Was already explained, it wasn't the full course under lights, thats hardly a lit race.

If it is, every year at clipsal is a 'lit' race, cause of the street light on the main straight

anthony81901 · 19 Nov 2009, 11:14 (Ref:2584946)

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Originally Posted by Mixer

It definitely was not '95. Skaife still had the Winfield sponsorship in '95.

Besides, Tony didn't say the first "championship" race.

I am positive it was 1997, as I clearly remember Skaife with the largely sponsorless VS locking up the rear brakes at the end of the Calder straight with disc brakes glowing, and the dust in his lights created an amazing effect, which I managed to get a photo of. Said photo hung over the boardroom table of Gibson motor sport for some time.

Gibson Motorsport's Winfield sponsorship concluded at Bathurst, hence they didn't front at the Adelaide GP and the one car they did field for Skaife at Calder ran in Winfield colours sans logos.

Mixer · 19 Nov 2009, 11:21 (Ref:2584950)

Its confirmed in AA that '97 Calder round was the first V8Supercar round and it was run under lights...

sizzle · 19 Nov 2009, 03:27 (Ref:2584762)

Pity the poor mules.

2 different race tracks in 2 weekends, then Clipsal only 2 weeks after. Better hope the racing is clean.

Mixer · 19 Nov 2009, 03:28 (Ref:2584763)

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Originally Posted by sizzle

Pity the poor mules.

2 different race tracks in 2 weekends, then Clipsal only 2 weeks after. Better hope the racing is clean.

Yeah that Abu Dhabi track is wide and fast, I can imagine some big hits.

RotorFan · 19 Nov 2009, 03:48 (Ref:2584770)

I have to say that sounds exciting. I've not seen this "corkscrew" part of the circuit - is it a shortcut to another part of the circuit that F1 didn't use?

STEALTHY · 19 Nov 2009, 04:11 (Ref:2584773)

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Originally Posted by RotorFan

I have to say that sounds exciting. I've not seen this "corkscrew" part of the circuit - is it a shortcut to another part of the circuit that F1 didn't use?

Would assume its the blue part in my pic. You can just see in the thumbnail size pic on V8.com that this part is highlighted, instead of the full course.
It would be turns 4/5/6

V8 Fireworks · 19 Nov 2009, 05:11 (Ref:2584780)

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Originally Posted by STEALTHY

Would assume its the blue part in my pic. You can just see in the thumbnail size pic on V8.com that this part is highlighted, instead of the full course.
It would be turns 4/5/6

But all the grandstands are down at that hairpin on the right aren't they?

Is TC already admitting that he doesn't expect anybody to turn up by using this layout?

I assume the hotel with the light-up roof is on the left part of the track, hence they can't skip it...

I reckon it would be better if they use the tarmac that cuts from the corner just after the back straight then direct to the pit straight, and went right down to the hairpin where the stands are. The left part of the circuit doesn't have any stands?

STEALTHY · 19 Nov 2009, 05:23 (Ref:2584782)

I'm not saying thats what the track is, i have no clue what they are running (and wouldn't know where to look to find out), just going by the pic on their site (And after watching the GP just a second ago, that part of the track isn't that exciting anyway, if they are bypassing it).

Heres the pic from V8.com. looks like theres 2 grandstands that would be missed with your idea

V8 Fireworks · 20 Nov 2009, 02:02 (Ref:2585508)

The shortended Silverstone circuit seems to be the crashiest of the lot in the BTCC and that's saying something! The way the inside and outside lines cross before they come back onto the pitstraight seems to produce a lot of desperate overtakes. I dunno, would the racing would be gentlemanly with the V8s in comparison?

Belly13 · 22 Nov 2009, 10:49 (Ref:2587043)

Either way, I think Frosty will win the round. GRM #2 and #3.

Axeman444 · 22 Nov 2009, 23:24 (Ref:2587445)

what happens to the freight allocation for the teams with 2 overseas rounds back to back? If a car gets totalled in Abu Dhabi, what happens to get it on the track at Bahrain? Championship defining incident in the 1st round?

Mixer · 22 Nov 2009, 23:31 (Ref:2587449)

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Originally Posted by Axeman444

what happens to the freight allocation for the teams with 2 overseas rounds back to back? If a car gets totalled in Abu Dhabi, what happens to get it on the track at Bahrain? Championship defining incident in the 1st round?

Its a worry - I don't think anybody is going to take a spare car. Todd's accident yesterday shows how easily a car can be destroyed.

Axeman444 · 23 Nov 2009, 00:01 (Ref:2587464)

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Originally Posted by Mixer

I don't think anybody is going to take a spare car

unless the rules have changed, i'm sure that would exceed the freight upload allowance

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