Electric GT

[GHOGH]

Electric GT series - Tesla Model S as base.
http://www.electricgt.co/drivers-selection/

Be interesting if they change battery packs during race to see how quickly the pit crew can do this.
Drop the big wheel nut tool and pick up a nascar style fast wheel nut type tool.

[Mike E]

Some details here on the cars and provisional calendar. Season kicks off at Silverstone in August.

They have stripped 525kg from the standard car so performance looks fairly nuts.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/mo...ctric-gt-round

[joeb]

Originally Posted by Mike E

Some details here on the cars and provisional calendar. Season kicks off at Silverstone in August.

They have stripped 525kg from the standard car so performance looks fairly nuts.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/mo...ctric-gt-round

This actually looks to be more interesting to me than FE. I hope the first race will be broadcast online.

[Ephaeton]

Originally Posted by joeb

This actually looks to be more interesting to me than FE. I hope the first race will be broadcast online.

They got this covered, it seems:

Each race will be streamable on YouTube, Twitch and Periscope, with a permanent live feed of every car's cockpit included.

[joeb]

Originally Posted by Ephaeton

They got this covered, it seems:

Thanks! Looks like I need to read up a bit on the series.

[Ephaeton]

I think it's interesting they aim at streaming via twitch, of all platforms. Periscope, youtube, ok, but a gaming streaming website? Anyways, pity the races are kinda short, but I suppose I'll be checking it out as well. And indeed, looks to have more interest potential than FE for the "traditional" racing fan.

[deggis]

Originally Posted by Mike E

Some details here on the cars and provisional calendar. Season kicks off at Silverstone in August.

They have stripped 525kg from the standard car so performance looks fairly nuts.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/mo...ctric-gt-round

Looks like that has been pushed back to November.

http://www.electricgt.co/calendar/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017%E...T_Championship

[Bcarr6]

The starts will be interesting

Wonder how long those races will end up being


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[Mike E]

2 x 60km (2 x 37 miles)

60km is 10 laps of the GP circuit, 16 laps of the International circuit or 22 laps of the National circuit.

[chernaudi]

Not to mention that they don't have the backing of an OEM to support their research and testing. Only problem is that if you take a new technology (or at least new to the sport) and OEMs do stuff with it, things get expensive real quick.

[Bcarr6]

Originally Posted by chernaudi

Not to mention that they don't have the backing of an OEM to support their research and testing. Only problem is that if you take a new technology (or at least new to the sport) and OEMs do stuff with it, things get expensive real quick.

The tesla based series above looks interesting if Tesla fully support it, although the cars are small-ish tourer size


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[MagVanisher]

I don't know whether racing the series via Twitch would be a good idea though? I mean, have you heard about stream monsters there and their emotes?

[chernaudi]

I had no idea that you could even watch racing on Twitch. I though it was mostly gaming stuff on there.

[Akrapovic]

Twitch is mostly for gaming, but if it costs them nothing extra to do it then it's just more exposure.

Tesla does not officially back this series, but Musk has tweeted about it a couple of times. So unofficial support I guess.

Car is based on the pre-facelift version of the P100DL (although I think their first test car was built on a P90D), but the new renders are using the new front end so I think it'll change.

Obviously we all know how ludicrous the Tesla standing starts are, so corner exit speeds on this thing will be awesome, but it's the race distances that get a bit confusing. E-GT are claiming it'll do 90km at racing speed. This makes sense, since a Formula E ePrix is about 90km. This car is 100 kWh battery compared to the 28 kWh battery in the Formula E car. So it'll battery is over 3 times larger, but the car weights more, so it'll do double the distance. That makes sense.

E-GT are claiming that the race distances will be around 130km each though (2 races per event, totaling 260). So if that happens then that's more than they say. So I can see the race distances being cut to around 90km. For perspective, that's 15 laps of the Silverstone GP circuit, or 36 laps of the national circuit. So a race distance is approx 1.5 times a BTCC race, which isn't that long, but maybe long enough to start off with.

I find this more interesting than Formula E, and I'll give it a try, but no sound and gears might still be a killer for me. But I'll give it a try. As long as there is no sodding fan boosts.

[Adam43]

At first I thought you said "as long as there are no sodding fans". Which I can see is a problem for a lot of series (read that either way ).

[AoB Special Stage]

Originally Posted by Bcarr6

The tesla based series above looks interesting if Tesla fully support it, although the cars are small-ish tourer size


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Musk doesn't believe in motorsport.

[deggis]

Originally Posted by AoB Special Stage

Musk doesn't believe in motorsport.

But still makes the best EV cars. Kind of says something about motorsport's role in R&D...

Also Formula E can pretend like it is now the frontline of R&D but the budgets there are absolutely drops in the ocean.

[AoB Special Stage]

Originally Posted by deggis

But still makes the best EV cars. Kind of says something about motorsport's role in R&D...

Also Formula E can pretend like it is now the frontline of R&D but the budgets there are absolutely drops in the ocean.

Renault spent 8 figures reportedly, but it got subsidized by the road car and F1 divisions.

[deggis]

Originally Posted by AoB Special Stage

Renault spent 8 figures reportedly, but it got subsidized by the road car and F1 divisions.

http://current-e.com/features/how-mu...in-season-two/

"Renault, for example, reportedly spent around €8million on development and manufacture of its season two powertrain."

"Operating budgets are hard to get a handle on but are thought to be around €10million a year"

"Renault bosses insisted they spent no more than around €4million on their season two powertrain;"

I don't know what is Renault or the whole Renault-Nissan alliance's annual R&D spending, but multiple _billions_ for sure.

edit: well that wasn't hard to google: 560 billion yen last year = 4 billion euros. Of course not all of that goes into a single area but still the FE program or any racing program budget is a tiny percentage assuming it even comes from the R&D budget.

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by AoB Special Stage

Musk doesn't believe in motorsport.

He has tweeted his support for the series, he's just not supporting it officially. Can't blame him, he's got a but much going on with SpaceX, Tesla, Hypderloop and OpenAI to be involved in motorsport lol.

At this level I don't think manufacturer support is needed.

Electric GT using real tracks is interesting. I think it's missing a trick not being on the support package for Formula E.

[broadrun96]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

He has tweeted his support for the series, he's just not supporting it officially. Can't blame him, he's got a but much going on with SpaceX, Tesla, Hypderloop and OpenAI to be involved in motorsport lol.

At this level I don't think manufacturer support is needed.

Electric GT using real tracks is interesting. I think it's missing a trick not being on the support package for Formula E.

Having watched a few e-Prix, would the Electric GT cars fair well on some of those tracks? They seemed tight for even the Formula E cars at times.

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by broadrun96

Having watched a few e-Prix, would the Electric GT cars fair well on some of those tracks? They seemed tight for even the Formula E cars at times.

Yeah you're probably right. The Tesla has quite a wide turning circle for a road car, so it might be too large for the circuit. Or maybe because it's road based, it would fit? I think it'd be worth a shot taking one for a demo run at each ePrix to see how it went.

But then again, having EGT on real circuits is (IMO) a good thing, as it brings it closer to the motor racing that most fans enjoy. As long as it isn't too slow, and doesn't have gimmicks (fan boost, car swaps, etc), then it might actually work.

[AoB Special Stage]

Originally Posted by broadrun96

Having watched a few e-Prix, would the Electric GT cars fair well on some of those tracks? They seemed tight for even the Formula E cars at times.

I'm far more concerned about the fact it's still a giant executive saloon, electric or no. They would have more steering lock, I guess.

[Juntos]

Originally Posted by AoB Special Stage

Musk doesn't believe in motorsport.

In the same way I don't believe on his four wheeled fridges...


By the way the rumour in the streets is ... Electric GT doesn't have the money to start! Well that’s what it looks like.

[deggis]

Oops, I just Ctrl+F'd and did not notice it was for Nissan only.

But anyway, they're similar mid-sized car companies so ballpark is still billions. VW and Toyota spend 2-3 times more.