fire tender rolls at brands hatch??

[chinook220]

just heard that a fire tender rolled at brands hatch today? not sure of the details just hope all persons involved are safe and well

regards chinook220

[roys1]

Originally Posted by chinook220

just heard that a fire tender rolled at brands hatch today? not sure of the details just hope all persons involved are safe and well

regards chinook220

Photographer on scene says walking wounded..

[chinook220]

Originally Posted by roys1

Photographer on scene says walking wounded..

i hope thats the case and no worse, do we know what happened? responding to an incident? blow out?

[roys1]

Try this link for a photo already on FB http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...&type=1&ref=nf

[chinook220]

not on fb so wont work, sure it will come out later

regards Chinook220

[Alan Green]

For the non-Facebookers:
http://www.yfrog.com/hs2kyoamj

[Piglet]

Bloody hell, that looks nasty, hope those involved were OK.

[sunny.traveller]

I can see FB updates saying "walking wounded" so seems like they are all okay

[Richard Duvall]

Looks like someone has developed a novel way of laying down a blanket of foam!

[The STIG]

Crikey! High CoG + Heavy fire fighting kit + enthusiastic driving = one very messy situation. Hope that the crew got out of that ok.

[Andy 308GTB]

Originally Posted by The STIG

Crikey! High CoG + Heavy fire fighting kit + enthusiastic driving = one very messy situation. Hope that the crew got out of that ok.

I only caught the aftermath of this - just as the truck went over but it didn't look great at the time. Stony silence over the PA is never good news.
Obviously these trucks don't have roll cages so one has to have concerns for the crew.

Coming round and down Paddock with a few tonnes of water on the back of a pick up truck would require some care...

[bdwoody]

Originally Posted by Andy 308GTB

I only caught the aftermath of this - just as the truck went over but it didn't look great at the time. Stony silence over the PA is never good news.
Obviously these trucks don't have roll cages so one has to have concerns for the crew.

Coming round and down Paddock with a few tonnes of water on the back of a pick up truck would require some care...

The roof of the pick up was a bit flat ,but the fire bottle acted as the roll cage I guess and knocked the regulator off the top turning paddock hill all wintery !!!

[Bodysnatcher]

Jeff Bloxham says diesel spilled at the top of paddock hill too. That cannot have helped.
Hope those on board are just shaken and that Jonathan Palmer is not too upset.

[exflagman]

Originally Posted by Bodysnatcher

Jeff Bloxham says diesel spilled at the top of paddock hill too. That cannot have helped.
Hope those on board are just shaken and that Jonathan Palmer is not too upset.

If Bloxham was around, what do you expect! Though that must be a first even for Jeff
Hope everyone is OK.

[The SpeCTator]

Originally Posted by exflagman

If Bloxham was around, what do you expect! Though that must be a first even for Jeff
Hope everyone is OK.

Jeff was not at Brands today.

[jonbryant]

Originally Posted by The SpeCTator

Jeff was not at Brands today.

But I was... My photo on the first page on the FB link.

My understanding from what I could see is that it was on a scramble to a rolled truck. Shortly afterwards a line of spilled fluid was dressed all round the circuit. You might put 2 + 2 together as to the cause of Fire 1 losing control

[Steve Fox]

I was told by PS on the way out of the circuit that the crew are ok, good news.

[Shelagh]

The things people will do.......

Seriously, glad to hear no harm done.

Less seriously - something else to blame Bloxham for!

[Lrawlings]

saw it roll from the stand, was off post 2 due to trucks racing. cause was indeed a massive diesel spillage around the whole track! glad to hear driver was ok. even without wearing a seatbelt!

[Apple]

Originally Posted by Lrawlings

saw it roll from the stand, was off post 2 due to trucks racing. cause was indeed a massive diesel spillage around the whole track! glad to hear driver was ok. even without wearing a seatbelt!

Is it appropriate to comment about seat belts when your view point was from the stands.?
As marshals I think we have all been told that we should not comment on incidents that have taken place while we are on duty.
For the record I was on post 4a for the day and did attend the fire truck incident.
And I to am also very pleased to hear that BOTH marshals in the fire truck are ok.
Mick

[PVDA]

4 wheel drives and fast responses don't mix.

We've got an All Wheel Drive Holden Cross8 Crewman ute that's used at Winton as the Chase vehicle.



It's got a hopper the same size as the one on the unit in the photo from Brands with cupboard space for rescue gear, seat space for a crew of 4 and does snatches regularly.



Did I mention it's powered by a 5.7 litre V8??

[Uncle Cranker]

Originally Posted by PVDA

4 wheel drives and fast responses don't mix.

We've got an All Wheel Drive Holden Cross8 Crewman ute that's used at Winton as the Chase vehicle.



It's got a hopper the same size as the one on the unit in the photo from Brands with cupboard space for rescue gear, seat space for a crew of 4 and does snatches regularly.



Did I mention it's powered by a 5.7 litre V8??

Hi Paul, thanks for posting a pic with me in it (top one) I think I remember asking that driver what type beer he thought the safety team likes..... I can't seem to recall any other reason I’d have my head in his window....

On the subject of the incident, thankfully these things are few & far between.

In my 22 years as a Fire/Rescue Marshall/Medical Car/Safety Car driver I have luckily never seriously thrown one away.
I’m happy to concede I had a little spin in the wet in a 5.7 lt SS Commodore FIV medical car at the T 2-3 complex at Sandown one day on an out lap (heading for chase position) and have understeered a 4 WD Navara off a number of times (simply going too fast). Luckily, none of these were during a turn out, or a race chase.

So I guess I’m either not really trying or I’m simply just not fast enough, but I’m comfortable, and my crew have never told me to slow down. (or to go faster)

Quite a few of my fellow team members (not PVDA, he is like the tortoise, who gets there in one piece at the end), have had an off a number of times (with no adverse results) and each time overdriving was the only cause.

I was a volunteer urban fire-fighter before I became a Marshal, and learned early on about 'turning-out' (and one for you Poms, back then the Hendon Driving System.
People’s lives may depend on you getting the vehicle to the scene of the emergency, so only ever proceed in a manner that is safe and expedient.

I really do feel for the Marshals involved at Brands, and I will not criticise them for doing their volunteer work. I also understand the ribbing they will get in the months to come (maybe us Aussies are harder on our 'mates' ???) but I'm sorry I refuse to indulge in the offering of excuses for the incident.

No matter what excuse is offered,(diesel, Britain's most demanding race corner) the driver was not driving to the conditions, pure & simple. The fact it is know to be a treacherous corner is even more reason take extra care.

Consider that all of a sudden the resources needed to combat the combined incidents at hand potentially more than doubled.


All this talk of roll cages and helmets is a nonsense knee-jerk reaction. (wait till the HSE get involved....)

Putting a cage in will potentially add a false sense of security, and wearing a helmet trackside will remove all 'Trackcraft' ability any Marshal posses' by removing his/her ability to hear properly. We trialled them 20 years ago at the Thunderdome (NASCAR racing) here, and it was a near disaster.


Just my 2-bob’s worth, and will gladly debate with anyone, but as a Marshal, unless you have driven on a race track (and a hot track at that) and understood the adrenaline rush & pressures, please don’t make a fool of yourself.

[m1fcf]

Originally Posted by Shelagh

The things people will do.......

Seriously, glad to hear no harm done.

Less seriously - something else to blame Bloxham for!

Seems Mr. Bloxham was not at this one, but it looks like he had given Mr. Bryant the magnet to use.

[The STIG]

This video neatly shows the end of the incident : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7Dtv...tailpage#t=69s

[TWRv12]

Time JP splashed out on proper Jag foam tender!