LMP1 engines (from 2014 to current)

Mike E · 5 Jul 2013, 15:50 (Ref:3274321)

The new regs allow for just about any engine provided it can get around the lap without running out of gas, so what do we actually know about who is running what next year?

Rebellion: continuing with Toyota 3.4l n/a V8 petrol (I think this is confirmed)
Toyota: petrol + hybrid system
Porsche: probably a small (2l?) turbo 4 cylinder petrol, + hybrid system
Audi: diesel V6? + hybrid system
Strakka: continuing with Honda 3.4l n/a petrol V8?

Any others?

Also, the rule preventing front wheel hybrid use below 120kph is being dropped which might encourage a move to 4 wheel drive for traction and weight distribution reasons. Audi will continue with their 'quattro' system. I wonder if Porsche will go 4wd?

hondafan37 · 5 Jul 2013, 16:12 (Ref:3274331)

Honda will use a small direct injected turbocharged V6 derived from Indycar engine.
http://www.racer.com/exclusive-hpd-p...rticle/300655/
http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...02029&page=182

Pandamasque · 5 Jul 2013, 16:18 (Ref:3274337)

...unless Strakka are allowed (and willing) to grandfather their current car.

Mike E · 5 Jul 2013, 17:30 (Ref:3274357)

Good to see some variety though.

deggis · 5 Jul 2013, 18:15 (Ref:3274378)

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Out of curiosity, we used LapSim to analyze the implications of the new 2014 Regulations for Le Mans. Will there still be a race? What kind of power plants are there to expect? Will the ACO achieve what they aim for? You will find the answers in the attached article, published in the february issue of Racecar Engineering.

http://www.lapsim.nl/assets/pdf/Arti...014-LapSim.pdf

2.8L V6T and 4.0L V8 are compared.

Mike E · 7 Jul 2013, 19:09 (Ref:3274993)

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Originally Posted by deggis

http://www.lapsim.nl/assets/pdf/Arti...014-LapSim.pdf

2.8L V6T and 4.0L V8 are compared.

Very interesting. Thanks for posting that. Next year will be a school year!

Mr Pink · 7 Jul 2013, 17:04 (Ref:3274945)

I always wonder why the Mazda/AER engine is never mentioned when discussing LMP1 engines, I'd think it's a pretty good option for a privateer? Not knowing how well it works with the new regulations of course.

Maelochs · 7 Jul 2013, 17:32 (Ref:3274957)

I like Dyson racing and have for years, but seriously, would you trust them to build an engine for your team?

Mr Pink · 7 Jul 2013, 17:41 (Ref:3274958)

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Originally Posted by Maelochs

I like Dyson racing and have for years, but seriously, would you trust them to build an engine for your team?

I know Dyson runs them but i thought they were built by AER?

Maelochs · 7 Jul 2013, 17:54 (Ref:3274959)

Dyson owns AER ... and the engines haven't been bad since they strengthened the block for last season, but the team in general ... has sort of slipped.

knighty · 8 Jul 2013, 18:40 (Ref:3275510)

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Originally Posted by Mr Pink

I always wonder why the Mazda/AER engine is never mentioned when discussing LMP1 engines, I'd think it's a pretty good option for a privateer? Not knowing how well it works with the new regulations of course.

AER's new 2014 LMP1 engine is currently in the build and test phase. for confidentiality reasons its not appropriate for me to reveal what it is, but i am prepared to say its not an I4!......but they are doing one for sure.......admittedley i dont know who its for, but i'm told they have a customer, but i always take that part with a pinch of salt.......it cant be for dyson as LMP1 is now done in the US.......answers on a postcard please.

pedrocor · 8 Jul 2013, 22:29 (Ref:3275609)

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Originally Posted by knighty

AER's new 2014 LMP1 engine is currently in the build and test phase. for confidentiality reasons its not appropriate for me to reveal what it is, but i am prepared to say its not an I4!......but they are doing one for sure.......admittedley i dont know who its for, but i'm told they have a customer, but i always take that part with a pinch of salt.......it cant be for dyson as LMP1 is now done in the US.......answers on a postcard please.

Adess has said, prior to Le Mans, they already established a partnership to build the LMP1 version of the T128 Kodewa run with an engine specific engine suplier...

Articus · 9 Jul 2013, 00:26 (Ref:3275653)

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Originally Posted by pedrocor

Adess has said, prior to Le Mans, they already established a partnership to build the LMP1 version of the T128 Kodewa run with an engine specific engine suplier...

I was just about to say the same thing. I think we just put two and two together. Sounds like one of those great looking lotuses possible powered by AER? Who owns AER? it could be a V6? AER is going to supply V6 engines for FIA GP3.

Mr Pink · 7 Jul 2013, 18:33 (Ref:3274976)

Oh sorry, wasn't aware of that. For example though, if I was Dome at Le Mans last year, I would've picked the Mazda option before the shake-to-bits Judd.

Gingers4Justice · 7 Jul 2013, 18:34 (Ref:3274977)

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Originally Posted by Mr Pink

Oh sorry, wasn't aware of that. For example though, if I was Dome at Le Mans last year, I would've picked the Mazda option before the shake-to-bits Judd.

Well, if you believe Judd's side of the story, they weren't the problem.

Mr Pink · 7 Jul 2013, 18:39 (Ref:3274981)

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Originally Posted by Gingers4Justice

Well, if you believe Judd's side of the story, they weren't the problem.

Of course there's two sides to those sorts of things and I don't have half the knowledge as most people here (which is why I love this forum) so I won't argue with you.

Really I just wanted to know if I had missed something obvious since the Mazda engine is so seldom mentioned.

Gingers4Justice · 7 Jul 2013, 22:35 (Ref:3275098)

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Originally Posted by Mr Pink

Of course there's two sides to those sorts of things and I don't have half the knowledge as most people here (which is why I love this forum) so I won't argue with you.

Really I just wanted to know if I had missed something obvious since the Mazda engine is so seldom mentioned.

The great thing about this forum is that (90% of the time) we debate, we don't argue!

But you're right, we don't know for sure. However, while the Judd engine was no world beater and indeed it's kind of died a death in P1, Judd have produced decent engines in top-level prototypes since for many years now. On top of that, the DOME had a Judd stuck in the back of it before. I'm pretty confident that a fully functioning Pescarolo team, without living on the brink of bankruptcy and with more time to develop the car, could have got that package to be something capable of finishing the race.

Good point though, the Mazda engine is often forgotten, but I think it's overlooked by most privateers, and with good reason. It's not particularly reliable or powerful. At the end of this rules cycle, we've been left with no decent powertrain options for privateers, and that's why we have so few of them.

Let's hope things change for 2014.

Beetle · 8 Jul 2013, 02:34 (Ref:3275177)

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Originally Posted by Gingers4Justice

The great thing about this forum is that (90% of the time) we debate, we don't argue!

But you're right, we don't know for sure. However, while the Judd engine was no world beater and indeed it's kind of died a death in P1, Judd have produced decent engines in top-level prototypes since for many years now. On top of that, the DOME had a Judd stuck in the back of it before. I'm pretty confident that a fully functioning Pescarolo team, without living on the brink of bankruptcy and with more time to develop the car, could have got that package to be something capable of finishing the race.

Good point though, the Mazda engine is often forgotten, but I think it's overlooked by most privateers, and with good reason. It's not particularly reliable or powerful. At the end of this rules cycle, we've been left with no decent powertrain options for privateers, and that's why we have so few of them.

Let's hope things change for 2014.

Well, I wouldn't necessarily suggest that HPD is anything less than decent. It's fast and reliable... that's all you need for endurance lasting 6 hours or more. Of course, only one team is using it this year in the WEC (Strakka), but they've held their own against the Rebellion cars. Plus, next year, things will change...

ep16 · 8 Jul 2013, 05:44 (Ref:3275214)

Remember, that Judd engine also had a habbit of self detonation in the back of the Oak Pesarolos aswell. Including at Sebring a few years ago shoryly after the car had lead briefly overall and was still leading the privateers. Think it went pop at Le Mans two years on the trot if i remember rightly aswell in the same car...

TF110 · 8 Jul 2013, 08:08 (Ref:3275267)

Exclusive to Lola chassis that is. But it seems thats no longer the case as Lola wont exist in the class next year.

Pandamasque · 9 Jul 2013, 12:52 (Ref:3275879)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Exclusive to Lola chassis that is. But it seems thats no longer the case as Lola wont exist in the class next year.

Earlier Multimatic claims suggest otrherwise.

Maelochs · 9 Jul 2013, 15:03 (Ref:3275928)

Multimatic said they would have a 2014 P1 but I haven;'t heard about any customers ...

The AER news is fantastic. I'd love to see an Adesa/AER car---assuming Adesa can still build and sell the car after whatever happened with its Lotus cars.

It is getting to be time for final contracts to be inked so constructors can get the cars ion track for testing for the 2104 season. If I don;t here somehting more defnitie from some of the many possible P1 builders ... well, I am ready for a great season with Porsche, Toyota, Audi rebellion and Strakka.

Pandamasque · 9 Jul 2013, 15:11 (Ref:3275931)

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Originally Posted by Maelochs

It is getting to be time for final contracts to be inked so constructors can get the cars ion track for testing for the 2104 season. If I don;t here somehting more defnitie from some of the many possible P1 builders ... well, I am ready for a great season with Porsche, Toyota, Audi rebellion and Strakka.

My understanding is that Kodewa plan to sell customer Lotus P2 (and P1?) cars and have their 'works' team in P1, it seems Adess have a new and independent customer LMP project and both parties seem to be trying to prevent each other's plans from coming to fruition. There's a real possibility that this legal war will be long enough to prevent both sides from having anything ready for 2014.

Starfish Primer · 9 Jul 2013, 19:23 (Ref:3276025)

Any info on Zytek? At Autosport International they showed a hybrid powertrain.

TF110 · 10 Jul 2013, 08:09 (Ref:3276212)

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Originally Posted by Pandamasque

Earlier Multimatic claims suggest otrherwise.

Who's running that? Perinn, Dome, Oak etc. have chassis' as well.

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