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1983 Trimoco RAC British Saloon Car Championship - Discussion & Results
Thank you for your corrections and additions, Carrera - much appreciated details. I guess the 3600 cc loft covers the 1983-1986 group A period?
Now, here is what I got about 1983: 1983 RAC Tricentrol British Saloon Car Championship Class A: 2500-3600 cc Class B: 1601-2500 cc Class C: up to 1600 cc (possible 0-1600 cc) Round 1 – March 20, 1983, Silverstone 1./ #? / Steve Soper / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse 2./ #? / Jeff Allam / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse Round 2 – April 1, 1983, Oulton Park 1./ #? / Jeff Allam / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse / 20 laps in 23m15.70s – class winner 2./ #? / Peter Lovett / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse / 20 laps in 23m15.89s 3./ #? / Steve Soper / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse / 20 laps in 23m16.26s 4./ #? / Jon Dooley / Dooley / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6 2.5 / 20 laps in 23m46.97s – class winner 5./ #? / Tony Lanfranchi / unknown / A / Opel Monza 3.0E / 20 laps in 23m54.52s 6./ #? / Hamish Irvine / Irvine? / B / Mazda RX-7 / 20 laps in 24m09.22s 7./ #? / Peter Hall / Rouse / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6 2.5 / 20 laps in 24m09.96s 8./ #? / John Morris / Maguire? / C / VW Scirocco GTI / 20 laps in 24m21.74s – class winner 9./ #? / Richard Longman / Longman / C / Ford Escort RS1600i / 19 laps 10./ #? / Rob Hall / unknown / C / Ford Escort RS1600i / 19 laps unknown results for the remaining drivers #? / Charles Sawyer-Hoare / unknown / A / Rover Vitesse #? / Mike Newman / Newman / A / Ford Capri 3.0S #? / Alan Curnow / Longman / C / Ford Escort RS1600i #? / Alan Greenhalgh / unknown / C / VW Golf GTI #? / Alan Minshaw / Minshaw / C / VW Golf GTI #? / Rob Kirby / unknown / C / Alfa Romeo Alfasud Ti #? / Chris Hodgetts / Brooklyn? / C / Ford Escort RS1600i #? / Andrew Thorpe / unknown / C / Alfa Romeo Alfasud Ti #? / Patrick Watts / Dowson / B / MG Metro Turbo #? / Lionel Abbott / unknown / C / Ford Escort RS1600i #? / Jock Robertson / unknown / C / Ford Fiesta XR2 Round 3 – April 4, 1983, Thruxton 1./ #? / Peter Lovett / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse / 20 laps in 30m31.85s – class winner 2./ #? / Jeff Allam / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse / 20 laps in 30m32.04s 3./ #? / Charles Sawyver-Hoare / unknown / A / Rover Vitesse / 20 laps in 31m06.57s 4./ #? / Jon Dooley / Dooley / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6 2.5 / 20 laps in 31m12.56s – class winner 5./ #? / Hamish Irvine / Irvine / B / Mazda RX-7 / 20 laps in 31m17.92s 6./ #? / Tony Lanfranchi / unknown / A / Opel Monza 3.0E / 20 laps in 31m25.75s 7./ #? / Steve Soper / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse / 20 laps in 31m32.95s 8./ #? / Peter Hall / Rouse / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6 2.5 / 20 laps in 31m53.42s 9./ #? / Alan Greenhalgh / C / VW Golf GTI / 19 laps – class winner 10./ #? / Rob Kirby / unknown / C / Alfa Romeo Alfasud Ti / 19 laps The remaining positions once again unknown, but these are the drivers #? / Richard Longman / Longman / C / Ford Escort RS1600i #? / Alan Curnow / Longman / C / Ford Escort RS1600i #? / John Morris / Maguire? / C / VW Scirocco GTI #? / Rob Hall / unknown / C / Ford Escort RS1600i #? / Alan Minshaw / Minshaw / C / VW Golf GTI #? / Patrick Watts / Dowson / C* / MG Metro* #? / Chris Hodgetts / Brooklyn? / C / Ford Escort RS1600i #? / Andrew Thorpe / unknown / C / Alfa Romeo Alfasud Ti #? / Lionel Abbott / unknown / C / Ford Escort RS1600i #? / Jock Robertson / unknown / C / Ford Fiesta XR2 #? / Andy Driver / unknown / C / Toyota Corolla GT *Listed as such in my notes, but thought it should be a class B MG Metro Turbo. Round 4 – April 10, 1983, Brands Hatch 1.unknown / A / Rover Vitesse Round 5 – May 30, 1983, Thruxton 1./ #? / Peter Lovett / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse Round 6 – June 6, 1983, Silverstone 1.unknown / A / Rover Vitesse Round 7 – June 25, 1983, Donington Park 1.unknown / A / Rover Vitesse Round 8 – July 16, 1983, Silverstone 1./ #? / unknown / unknown / A / Rover Vitesse 5./ #? / Hans-Joachim Stuck / Bob Sparshott / A / BMW 635CSi 6./ #? / Win Percy / Hughes of Beaconsfield / A / Toyota Celica Supra Round 9 – August 8, 1983, Donington Park 1./ #? / unknown / unknown / A / Rover Vitesse 2./ #? / Hans-Joachim Stuck / Bob Sparshott / A / BMW 635CSi 3./ #? / Win Percy / Hughes of Beaconsfield / A / Toyota Celica Supra Round 10 – August 29, 1983, Brands Hatch 1 . / #? / Peter Lovett / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse 3./ #? / Hans-Joachim Stuck / Bob Sparshott / A / BMW 635CSi 5 / #? / Win Percy / Hughes of Beaconsfield / A / Toyota Celica Supra Round 11 – October 2, 1983, Silverstone 1./ #? / Jeff Allam / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse 2./ #? / Steve Soper / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse 3./ #? / David Brodie / Brodie / A / Mitsubishi Starion Turbo 4./ #? / Peter Lovett / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse 5./ #? / Jonathan Palmer / Bob Sparshott / A / BMW 635CSi 6./ #? / Tony Lanfranchi / unknown / A / Opel Monza 3.0E Who as a person or team ran the Toyota GB/Hughes of Beaconsfield Toyotas in various BTCC seasons. From what I know HofB was/is a Toyota dealer ship. 100 % Rover domination on the road, but a lot of gaps. Any additional information, including fastest lap for the classes, will be gladly received and hopefull for the mutual benefit for all interested parties. Jesper |
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http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jon...lverstone.html This article on a Toyota owners club website, discussing the restoration of one of the original HofB Group 1 Celicas from 1979/80, which survives in Ireland, mentions that: 'For the 1979 season Toyota decided to become more involved in the Championship but decided to sub-contract the running of their team to enthusiastic Toyota dealers Hughes, based in Beaconsfield' so it could well have been an 'in-house' job run from the Huges workshops http://www.toyotaenthusiasts.com/Fea...ld_racecar.htm |
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Here is a very good account of the various group A MG Metros in BTCC racing, telling that Watts did indeed race his first Metro in normally aspirated form before being upgrated to Turbo spec., but do read the original post. Only problem with the information, is that to my notes Patrick Watts was present, but perhaps not starting, for round 2 at Oulton Park on April 1, 1983. Jesper |
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I can help with some of these- again, based on notes I took 20-odd years ago (...and have transcribed at least once...) plus articles in 'Performance Car' Magazine back issues that I've got (PC journalist Art Markus did a monthly BTCC review column under the title 'Art on A', which only gave partial results, but were quite good for pics and background)
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Oops, missed the DNFs from Round 5 at Snetterton....
DNF: #1/Win Percy/Hughes of Beaconsfield/A/Toyota Celica Supra #84/Andrew Thorpe/ARDT/C/Alfa Romeo Alfasud #??/Rob Kirby/ARDT/C/Alfa Romeo Alfasud #31/Jon Dooley/ARDT/B/Alfa Romeo Alfasud #6/Dennis Leech/Leech/A/Rover Vitesse #??/Tony Crudgington/RZ Racing/C/Toyota Corolla GT #72/Rob Hall/Lloyds/C/Ford Escort RS1600i #60/John Morris/Morris Vulcan/C/VW Scirocco |
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1./#3/Peter Lovett/TWR/A/Rover Vitesse 2./#19/Frank Sytner/Sytner/A/BMW 635CSi 3./#11/Tony Lanfranchi/GMDS/A/Opel Monza 3.0E 4./#34/Andy Rouse/Rouse/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6 5./#35/Tony Pond/Dowson/B/MG Metro Turbo 6./#??/Hamish Irvine/Irvine/B/Mazda RX7 7./#??/Mike Newman/Newman/A/Ford Capri 3.0S 8./#10/Charles Sawyer-Hoare/Equipe Esso/A/Rover Vitesse 9./#6?/Dennis Leech/Leech/Rover Vitesse 10./#60/John Morris/Morris Vulcan/VW Scirocco Class C 1./Morris 2./#72/Rob Hall/Lloyds/C/Ford Escort RS1600i 3./#86/Alan Minshaw/Demon Tweeks/C/VW Golf GTi 4./#66/Alan Curnow/Datapost/C/Ford Escort RS1600i 5./#??/Lionel Abbott/Abbott/C/Ford Escort RS1600i DNF #2/Jeff Allam/TWR/A/Rover Vitesse #69/Chris Hodgetts/Brooklyn/C/Ford Escort RS1600i #77/Richard Longman/Datapost/C/Ford Escort RS1600i #31/Jon Dooley/ARDT/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6 #??/Patrick Watts/Dowson/B/MG Metro Turbo #??/Graham Goode/Goode/???? (either a Capri or the Nissan Bluebird?) #??/Andrew Thorpe/ARDT/Alfa Romeo Alfasud DNS#4/Steve Soper/TWR/Rover Vitesse For the convenience of continuity I have allowed myself to do a copy-and-paste of KA's contributions with the addition of a pair of videolinks: http://www.motorsportmad.com/view/75...nington-part-1 http://www.motorsportmad.com/view/75...nington-part-2 A review of the video tells that Graham Goode definitively raced a Ford Capri. ..that Steve Soper left a vacant fourth on the grid, but who is the Metro in fifth? ..that Dave Brodie was among the class A gang in a black Mitsubishi Colt Starion Turbo going nowhere fast. ..that Tony Lanfranchi seems to launch off the grid from 8th to 3rd into the first corner ..and that the 635 was always lousy in standing starts as Frank Sytner seems to move from third to 8th in the same isolated period of time. Jesper |
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Whatever happened to Soper's Rover happened on the green flag lap- the yellow Hepolite car is seen very briefly at the beginning of the first video as they turn onto the pit straight- presumably he pulled off into the pits at the last minute The Metro in 5th slot on the grid must be Tony Pond, as he features fairly prominently through both clips having an entertaining (and sometimes fairly lurid!) scrap with Hamish Irvine's red RX7, also at times featuring the Goode and Newman Capris and Dennis Leech's Rover. Hamish had a pretty handy start, the Mazda taking to the grass on the inside to be be disputing 6th/7th place with Dennis Leech into Redgate- from what looks like the 4th or 5th row of the grid... The other Metro of Patrick Watts is seen retiring in the pitlane with damaged front bodywork (and leaking something- oil?- looks like the crew were putting a drip tray under the front of the car in the pitlane) at about 9m18 in the first clip. Note that the Watts Metro is #78- suggests it was still the 1300cc Class C version that he'd started the season with until a second Turbo was ready? The Watts Metro Turbo was usually #36 I think Of the other DNFs-
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Thank you for the updates so far, KA. Your info has already put a lot of meat on the rather bare bones I started with this afternoon.
Seing that Tony Crudgington and Geoff Kimber-Smith pops up in Toyota Corolla GTs or perhaps Toyota Corolla GTs. These must have been of the 8 valve TE71-type, as the never 16 valve AE86 was only homologated from January 1, 1984. Jesper |
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Re: Corollas, Is this the 'TE71'-shape Corolla? http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc...-07-31-066.jpg If so, then definitely yes- I've got a pic of the Kimber-Smith car (accident-damaged) in an old Performance Car magazine, and it's definitely that shape. Win Percy, of course, had won the championship the previous year in one (see bottom right above the Rouse Rover: http://www.automobiliauk.com/images/btcc1_b.jpg ) |
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Opposition was mainly Audi UK 's 80 Quattro, Chris Lord's RX7, the fragile and underpowered works-backed RS1600is of Malcolm Wilson and Louise Aitken-Walker, privateer Corollas, Manta GT/Es etc and the first TWR Rover appearances. Eklund achived some impressively high overall finishes though, 4th o/a on the Welsh and Scottish in entry lists that featured Blomqvist in a Quattro and some quick 2wd Group 4/Group B opposition Incidentally, IIRC, Toyota GB used the 'Liftback' (as I think Toyota called it?) bodyshell http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_...0024_large.jpg rather than the Coupe version seen in the Spa 24 hours pics- Can't find a pic of the actual car anywhere. Eklund got a 16-valve AE86 for 1984, and continued to be the man to beat in Group A on UK events until Pond and the big Rover started to appear more regularly Last edited by KA; 2 Dec 2009 at 16:24. |
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Rob Kirby's Alfasud was 5th in Class C, then Abbott's RS1600i in 6th.
5th on the grid was indeed Tony Pond. Soper's Rover "expired" on the final warm-up lap. Jock Robertson's Escort didn't make it either. Watts was in the 1300 Metro, and was in the pits because he'd hit a spinning Andrew Thorpe. Longman suffered a broken engine mount which meant he couldn't get gears. Allam's hub bearing carier failed, causing his problems - he had pitted complaining of a loose front wheel. |
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Thanks Tim, that fills in some gaps for this one. Watts having collided with a spinning Thorpe Alfasud makes sense- although AFAIK the actual incident isn't seen on the video, the damage on the Metro is all to the front, whereas the Alfasud seems to have taken a hit in the right-hand side
Just tracked down another old report, from the Feb '84 issue of Performance Car- this is a season review article, titled 'Season of Discontent', much of which is taken up with the sorry saga of the various protests. I'll come back to that later, but for now a provisional points table might be useful (bear in mind that this was published early in '84, and is described as 'subject to protests'....) Class A 1- Steve Soper (Rover Vitesse) 68 2- Peter Lovett (Rover Vitesse) 62 3- Jeff Allam (Rover Vitesse) 53 4- Tony Lanfranchi (Opel Monza) 17 5- Charles Sawyer-Hoare (Rover Vitesse) 16 6- Frank Sytner (BMW 635CSi) 13 7- Hans Stuck (BMW 635CSi) 12 8- Mike Newman (Ford Capri) 9 =9- Dennis Leech (Rover Vitesse) 5 =9- Win Percy (Toyota Celica Supra) 5 =9- Gordon Spice (Rover Vitesse) 5 12- Dave Brodie (Colt Starion) 4 13- Graham Goode (Ford Capri) 3 14- Jonathan Palmer (BMW 635CSi) 2 Class B 1- Andy Rouse (Alfa GTV6) 61 2- Hamish Irvine (Mazda RX7) 42 3- Jon Dooley (Alfa GTV6) 36 4- Tony Pond (MG Metro Turbo) 31 5- Patrick Watts (MG Metro Turbo) 7 =6- Tom Dodd-Noble (Mazda RX7) 3 =6- Terry Nightingale (Mazda RX7) 3 8- Martin Brundle (MG Metro Turbo) 2 Class C 1- Alan Minshaw (VW Golf GTi) 45 2- Chris Hodgetts (Ford Escort RS1600i) 43 3- Alan Curnow (Ford Escort RS1600i) 42 4- Richard Longman (Ford Escort RS1600i) 35 5- John Morris (VW Scirocco GTi) 31 6- Rob Hall (Ford Escort RS1600i) 22 7- Rob Kirby (Alfasud) 18 8- Alan Greenghalgh (VW Golf GTi) 17 =9- Win Percy (Toyota Corolla) 9 =9- Patrick Watts (MG Metro 1300) 9 11- Andrew Thorpe (Alfasud) 5 12- Richard Lloyd (VW Golf GTi) 3 13- Lionel Abbott (Ford Escort RS1600i) 2 =14- Jock Robertson (Ford Escort RS1600i) 1 =14- Jock Robertson (Ford Fiesta 1.6) 1 Manufacturers 1- Rover Vitesse (A) 81 =2- Alfa Romeo GTV6 (B) 72 =2- Ford Escort RS1600i (C) 72 4- VW Golf GTi (C) 51 5- Mazda RX7 (B) 40 6- MG Metro Turbo (B) 29 7- VW Scirocco GTi (C) 28 8- BMW 635CSi (A) 21 9- Alfa Romeo Alfasud (C) 20 10- Opel Monza (A) 16 11- Ford Capri (A) 12 =12- Toyota Corolla (C) 9 =12- MG Metro 1300 (C) 9 14- Toyota Celica Supra (A) 5 15- Ford Fiesta (C) 1 |
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Thanks for the updates Tim and KA. The points standing will likely be very usefull in reconstructing the final standings, once the results are more completed. The BTCC page has an overall standing with Andy Rouse winning (correctly) but with no specifications of classes. http://www.btcc.net/html/history_sta...p?season_id=26
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The championship table shows up a few interesting things we've not picked up so far- Win Percy seems to have scored points in both Class A with the Celica Supra, and Class C with a Corolla- I'll have another look at the Performance Car report, as I'm sure it mentions Percy appearing at a few early rounds in the 1982-season Hughes Corolla before the Supra was ready to race. A couple of other RX7s are listed in Class B, Tom Dodd-Noble and Terry Nightingale scoring points somewhere along the season- Neither name has come up in the results we've got so far. Martin Brundle also pops up in the championship table, but I think we already know he made at least one late-season appearance in a third Metro in an attempt to take points away from Andy Rouse Back in in Class C, Jock Robertson seems to have scored points in both a Fiesta and an Escort RS1600i- not sure when the Pegasus team changed car. One more think, looking at the 'official' points list on the BTCC website and comparing it with the Performance Car version published long before the Rover issues were 'resolved' , how come Soper and Lovett have been deleted from the points table, and yet team-mate Allam is still there....? Was one Sanyo car disqualified and the other not, or is the 'official' table just wrong....? Overall points (Performance Car version) 1- Soper (Rover- A) 68 2- Lovett (Rover- A) 62 3- Rouse (GTV6- B) 61 4- Allam (Rover- A) 53 5- Minshaw (Golf- C) 45 6- Hodgetts (RS1600i- C) 43 =7- Irvine (RX7- B) 42 =7- Curnow (RS1600i-C) 42 9- Dooley (GTV6-B) 36 10- Longman (RS1600i- C) 35 btcc.net version 1- Rouse (GTV6-B) 61 2- Allam (Rover- A) 53 3- Minshaw (Golf- C) 45 4- Hodgetts (RS1600i-C) 43 =5- Curnow (RS1600i- C) 42 =5- Irvine (RX7-B) 42 7- Dooley- (GTV6- B) 36 8- Longman (RS1600i-C) =9- Pond (Metro Turbo- B) 31 =9- Morris (Scirocco- C) 31 Last edited by KA; 29 Apr 2010 at 10:24. |
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Yes Percy ran the updated '82 Corolla for 2-3 rounds IIRC. I can't remember if the Celica Supra was supposed to have been ready for the first round, or whether it was always scheduled to appear later on? The Mazda's are interesting, I have a feeling Nightingale and Dodd-Noble may have driven the same car? We may have covered this somewhere earlier in the thread or elsewhere (methinks a Grp 1/A RX7 thead could be useful as well  ) Nightingale certainly started the season but sold the car to someone else could that have been TD-N or maybe Hamish Irvine? I also have a suspicion that one of the RX7's was hired from someone else, David Palmer perhaps?Brundle did the last round at Silverstone, not sure if he did any more than that. A Fiesta, that's interesting. Did Robertson race one in 1982, there were a couple out that year i'm sure? Again thinking along the lines as with the Supra, did Jock originally plan to race an Escort from the beginning and had to race the Fiesta until it was ready, or was it a change of heart once it was clear the Fiesta wasn't going to be competitive? Last edited by chunterer; 29 Apr 2010 at 10:56. |
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17 Aug 2011, 22:13 (Ref:2942300)
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Thanks Jesper- I'd looked at the full results on Frank's site, but hadn't investigated the championship table.
There's one very big puzzle in the table- and it seems to exist in every version I've seen, including the 'official' one on BTCC.net. If Soper and Lovett were disqualified from the championship, how come Jeff Allam- driving an identical car, run by the same team- wasn't? 
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18 Aug 2011, 05:19 (Ref:2942360)
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I have been wondering about the Allam situation too - and the manufactures standing for Rover can't be unaffected either. It is as if nobody cared when Steve Soper (but also Pete Lovett?) was finally disqualified by June 1984 and Andy Rouse crowned the '83 champion.
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29 Apr 2010, 17:33 (Ref:2681781)
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The Donington report describes the Robertson Escort as "new". He didn't start cos it wasn't properly sorted.
I should have the full set for this year - I'll transcribe when I have the chance, but that might not be until the summer. |
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