Honda pitcrew

luke · 23 Apr 2006, 13:03 (Ref:1592704)

This really annoys me. On both of his pit stops now he's been held up multiple seconds and lost all chances of a win when he's at his most competitive.
Also as he's 3 stopping he would be out of the way of Schumacher holding up Alonso and would have a chance!

Menelaos · 23 Apr 2006, 13:11 (Ref:1592708)

Still, I can't believe he didn't stop. Obviously it was a mistake by the lolipop man, but for god's sakes, he took the lolipop down again, this has happened at least 3-4 times that I remember and the driver stopped again, why didn't he? Not very good.

Marcel ten Caat · 23 Apr 2006, 23:30 (Ref:1593285)

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Originally Posted by Menelaos

Still, I can't believe he didn't stop. Obviously it was a mistake by the lolipop man, but for god's sakes, he took the lolipop down again, this has happened at least 3-4 times that I remember and the driver stopped again, why didn't he? Not very good.

The only thing a driver is told to do during a pitstop is to keep an eye on the lollipop man and to go when he says so, ignoring everything else.
The lollipop went up...and Button hit the pedals, as he's been instructed for the last 100+ GP's.
The fact that the lollipop comes down again makes no difference, he noticed it and that is why he stopped (and probably checked his mirrors that same second), but reaction time between speeding off and braking again leads to this action.

rocketracer · 24 Apr 2006, 01:23 (Ref:1593334)

it wasnt really a funny incident, could have been pretty dangerous with fuel etc, as the hose came apart, let alone the 10 pin bowling pins i mean pit mechanics...

in the haste of the moment, the lollipop man certainly caused the error, but then when he re-dropped the sign, practically trying to single handedly hold back the race car with the stick via jensons head (ok so this was funny to watch on replay) the alarm bells should have been ringing and he should have immediately stopped, but its understandable why he was focussed on getting away and in the heat of the moment continued. Still, he has to be accountable for adding to the initial error. If he had've stopped straight away after the lollipop came back down, he may well have saved 5th or 6th spot...

ON THIS NOTE, i personally am getting pretty tired of all the sobs for a missed podium - ie without some miraculous driving and overtaking, he would have still been behind AT LEAST montoya, probably massa, because he had to stop one more time which would have put him back in traffic....

still, its all just academic, but i think its overly ambitious to think he was podium bound, as James Allen was whinging about for the rest of the race. Very best case scenario he could have found a way to the podium (would have required an exceptional drive and overtaking both massa and montoya which would need more pace than he had been showing, coupled with mistakes from the other relevant drivers), most likely he would have finished 4th or 5th... and his haste decision not to stop when the lollipop came back down exacerbated his demise....

i know this will probably be unpopular, jenson was driving a very solid race, but lets not get too carried away with missed opportunities attributable to his teams and his own mistakes...

Ryo28 · 24 Apr 2006, 15:22 (Ref:1593823)

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Originally Posted by rocketracer

it wasnt really a funny incident, could have been pretty dangerous with fuel etc, as the hose came apart, let alone the 10 pin bowling pins i mean pit mechanics...

The incident itself wasn't funny, but James Allen's reaction was hilarous - he sounded like it was quite literally the end of the world! I could picture him sobbing gently, cradled in Martin Brundle's arms... (or maybe thats just me

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DeoValente · 24 Apr 2006, 15:54 (Ref:1593849)

It seems Button went over to the factory today to vent his anger.

He has to come clean and admit yesterday was partly his own fault.
At least well have more scenarios to pick from and say he wont convert the next pole/front row spot into a win.

Kidzer · 23 Apr 2006, 13:16 (Ref:1592709)

Aye, it seemed everyone lost their heads momentarily!

Lollipop man was at fault first and foremost though.

Menelaos · 23 Apr 2006, 13:25 (Ref:1592712)

Yeah, no question about it

**Adam43** · 23 Apr 2006, 13:42 (Ref:1592719)

Why didn't he retire so that he could change his engine?

garcon · 23 Apr 2006, 13:44 (Ref:1592721)

Obviously the incident put paid to any chances of a podium, but I think a 3rd was the best he could have got today.

ralf fan · 23 Apr 2006, 13:44 (Ref:1592722)

AH well...as they say **** happens!! its not like the Honda pit crew screw up every time. I think they are one of best pit crews in terms of time spent during pit stops. Nope cant really critisize them. Even the best have brain fade once in a while

Knowlesy · 23 Apr 2006, 13:50 (Ref:1592726)

It was a shame Jenson chose to steam on when the lollipop lowered, but never mind. I think he could only have finished 3rd today, but that was better than what he got!

[DREAM]Hopefully refuelling will now be abolished! [/DREAM]

Menelaos · 23 Apr 2006, 14:00 (Ref:1592742)

Yes, it's really sad seeing good drivers losing their chances because of such problems, it's exactly how I felt for Kimi when he was trying to get his first win and he would always lose his chances because of some stupid problem.

DeoValente · 23 Apr 2006, 14:18 (Ref:1592773)

i thought it was pretty damn funny. Some slide for the Honda team in general though. Rubens was nowhere and Jense was lucky to score a few points.

ralf fan · 23 Apr 2006, 14:24 (Ref:1592780)

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Originally Posted by DeoValente

i thought it was pretty damn funny. Some slide for the Honda team in general though. Rubens was nowhere and Jense was lucky to score a few points.

Jense wasnt lucky....he was unlucky...he wouldve been on the podium...

Knowlesy · 23 Apr 2006, 14:21 (Ref:1592778)

Yes, hilarious. I practically fell off my chair.

marzF1rocks · 23 Apr 2006, 14:56 (Ref:1592804)

i really think its a shame, jenson has tried so hard to get himself in to contention with the renaults and the ferraris and unfortunatly it wasn't to be again...
I really feel the pit crew let him down, lets hope they can nail it 4 the nober ring (soz if i have spelt that wrong)

Knowlesy · 23 Apr 2006, 14:58 (Ref:1592807)

No, that was quite close.

Dutton · 23 Apr 2006, 15:53 (Ref:1592865)

Jenson was unlucky? Hrrrrmmm.

Gaz · 23 Apr 2006, 15:56 (Ref:1592868)

Yet again Honda let Jenson down badly - if its not from the pit wall with tactics its the guy with the lollipop! They'd be better off employing one of those school lollipop ladies - at least they're normally on the ball!!

I feel for Jenson - he's clearly driving his heart out and is performing brilliantly himself but time and time again he's let down by his team!

Jenson got it spot on in his interview - its no good talking about if's and but's they need to get results and stop making such ameteur mistakes.

Rennen · 23 Apr 2006, 20:43 (Ref:1593124)

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Originally Posted by Gaz

Yet again Honda let Jenson down badly - if its not from the pit wall with tactics its the guy with the lollipop! They'd be better off employing one of those school lollipop ladies - at least they're normally on the ball!!

I feel for Jenson - he's clearly driving his heart out and is performing brilliantly himself but time and time again he's let down by his team!

Jenson got it spot on in his interview - its no good talking about if's and but's they need to get results and stop making such ameteur mistakes.

The 'lollypop' man is the chief mechanic, and he's not prone to errors as a rule, he was just a touch too eager on this occassion! Drivers make errors more often than crew members do, so in a team sport it's 'give and take'.

Marbot · 23 Apr 2006, 15:59 (Ref:1592874)

Dutton,Let's not start that again.

Dutton · 23 Apr 2006, 16:09 (Ref:1592898)

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Originally Posted by martyn bott

Dutton,Let's not start that again.

I am not going to get into a large debate over "luck" again, but I still think it reasonable for me to say I do not think this individual case can be framed in the lucky/unlucky sense regardless (as in even assuming luck/unluck does exist, this case does not fit into it anyway).

The lollipop man made an error, which came as a result of poor judgement. Jenson then did a poor job of responding to this error when the lollipop man corrected his own error.

The whole situation was a direct result of poor management of things absolutely within the direct, immediate control of the team.

That in no way features in any form of "luck"/"unluck" scheme.

DeoValente · 23 Apr 2006, 16:01 (Ref:1592881)

it was funny to see the lollypop man make a mistake, then lower the thing again and almost smashing it into Jenses face. Jense ducking away like it was some annoying fly and floor it while the team was stil busy with the car..then him stopping with the piece of the fuelrig still attached to the car but without the hose

It was slapstick absolutly.

He was lucky that the hose didnt cause some serious damage to the car what could have ended his race. But his pace and early stop before that wasnt a sign he was gonna be a podiumfinisher today.

ralf fan · 23 Apr 2006, 16:05 (Ref:1592891)

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Originally Posted by DeoValente

it was funny to see the lollypop man make a mistake, then lower the thing again and almost smashing it into Jenses face. Jense ducking away like it was some annoying fly and floor it while the team was stil busy with the car..then him stopping with the piece of the fuelrig still attached to the car but without the hose

It was slapstick absolutly.

Yes wouldve been even more hilarious if Jenson had actually hit the lollipop man and he had gotten hurt...

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