Colin Bond - Bathurst 1977

[Head Rev]

Have just been reading other threads and talk of Colin Bond came up and discussion on his driving abilities. Agree with most of the comments, he certainly was a talented driver and was named Mr Versatile, because he could jump into any car, rally car, F5000, Touring Car, Rallycross car and out perform all other competitors. He was my hero growing up and I still rank him as one of the best drivers in Australia.

Now, how full would have these forums been if they were around in Oct. 1977 when Bond obeyed team orders and his boss (Allan Moffat) to finish second to him? No doubt they would have been chock a block full of positives and negatives as to his actions. Should he have gone for the win or did he do the right thing to finish second. It's histroy now, but look at all the promotional / advertising photos that came out, and even just the other day, models of the famous 1-2 finish.

Interesting to hear further your thoughts on Bond, his driving abilities and that 'finish.

[HDTVKSS]

personal oppinion is he should have had a pit board failure.....

[rustyinsthoz]

Re Bathurst 77 . Bond did the right thing by obeying team orders . It was Moffats team . Moff was the one who put it together and did all the hard work . Moff also led for most of the race . Plus . I don't think Bondy could have lived with himself if he had disobeyed the order to finish second .

[Gaz170]

Originally Posted by rustyinsthoz

Re Bathurst 77 . Bond did the right thing by obeying team orders . It was Moffats team . Moff was the one who put it together and did all the hard work . Moff also led for most of the race . Plus . I don't think Bondy could have lived with himself if he had disobeyed the order to finish second .

Going on how events ended up later, I'm pretty sure Bondy regrets following team orders.

[storyline]

Given the reported 'bad blood' that happened after the race between the two of - I think Bond could easily have lived with himself.

But - at the time it was Moffat's team, Moffat was the lead driver and Bond did himself absolutely no harm or discredit by doing what was expected of him.

I think you will find that most fans who follow the sport see the race result as a 1-2 for the Moffat team and, although Moffat was credited officially with the win, many see it as a 1-1 for Moffat and Bond and not a 1-2.

[John Roberts]

Originally Posted by storyline

Given the reported 'bad blood' that happened after the race between the two of - I think Bond could easily have lived with himself.

But - at the time it was Moffat's team, Moffat was the lead driver and Bond did himself absolutely no harm or discredit by doing what was expected of him.

I think you will find that most fans who follow the sport see the race result as a 1-2 for the Moffat team and, although Moffat was credited officially with the win, many see it as an embarrassing win 1-1 for Moffat and Bond and not a 1-2.

Hang on, up until this time Bond was a HOLDEN man through and through. Imagine how it would have looked if a former ATCC close-rival Holden driver won Bathurst in a Ford, just pipping his new boss.

I really admire Allan but as a serious Ford fan I have never forgiven him for what I consider to be a serious lapse in judgement in taking on Bond (where he risked Bond 'mishearing' his order) and see Bathurst '77 as a 1 for Moffat and nothing for Bond because he was a Holden man and should have been faithful to the brand (if he had left Holden and competed as a privateer I would have supported his win).

When Moffat teamed up with Brock in '86 (after all the REAL Bathursts were over anyway) he famously 'accidentally' crashed the 05 Mobil Commodore in practice. Heh, heh, heh.

[Ares]

Originally Posted by John Roberts

Hang on, up until this time Bond was a HOLDEN man through and through. Imagine how it would have looked if a former ATCC close-rival Holden driver won Bathurst in a Ford, just pipping his new boss.

I really admire Allan but as a serious Ford fan I have never forgiven him for what I consider to be a serious lapse in judgement in taking on Bond (where he risked Bond 'mishearing' his order) and see Bathurst '77 as a 1 for Moffat and nothing for Bond because he was a Holden man and should have been faithful to the brand (if he had left Holden and competed as a privateer I would have supported his win).

When Moffat teamed up with Brock in '86 (after all the REAL Bathursts were over anyway) he famously 'accidentally' crashed the 05 Mobil Commodore in practice. Heh, heh, heh.

Boy, you didn't see the ten commandments laying around back there did you John?

[one five five]

Bond did the right thing. Followed his orders and endeared himself to Ford. Surely he knew any disobeying of orders would potentially hurt his running of the Escort rally team.

Was it Bonds promised Bathurst prizemoney (for first?) not being paid that caused the court action against Moffat in 1978?

Despite some memories, it wasn’t the rosy relationship between Moffat and Ford in 1977, perhaps that’s the reason for the measly “$1000” bonus he got from Ford after 1977?

Ford didn’t pull the pin on touring cars initially after the dreadful 1978 season for the Moffat Ford Dealers Team, but their 1979 plans didn’t include Moffat’s team running the cars.

The Ford plan was to run a works 2-car team of new XD Falcons for 1979, with Bond as lead driver and likely his team in Sydney prepping them (the other option was an in-house Ford team akin to Lot 6).

There was a chance Moffat would be offered a role as driver only, but the Malvern workshop wasn’t going to be involved.

Ford couldn’t work the XD into CAMS regs/CAMS wouldn’t work with Ford for 1979 though so Edsel Ford II pulled the pin completely….

Originally Posted by John Roberts

Hang on, up until this time Bond was a HOLDEN man through and through. Imagine how it would have looked if a former ATCC close-rival Holden driver won Bathurst in a Ford, just pipping his new boss.

I really admire Allan but as a serious Ford fan I have never forgiven him for what I consider to be a serious lapse in judgement in taking on Bond (where he risked Bond 'mishearing' his order) and see Bathurst '77 as a 1 for Moffat and nothing for Bond because he was a Holden man and should have been faithful to the brand (if he had left Holden and competed as a privateer I would have supported his win).

When Moffat teamed up with Brock in '86 (after all the REAL Bathursts were over anyway) he famously 'accidentally' crashed the 05 Mobil Commodore in practice. Heh, heh, heh.

Bond was every bit the Ford man by the end of 1977, running the works Escort rally team alongside his Moffat Dealer Team drives.

Moffat was every bit the professional team boss running the works ford team, he hired the best driver he could for the second seat.

Originally Posted by High_OCTANE_HSV

Gee that was a thread dredge and a half, almost 20 years.

The long loved relic of this forum, the “02 astc” thread will make a comeback next…..THAT covered some ground (and years)

[Henry]

Originally Posted by one five five

Despite some memories, it wasn’t the rosy relationship between Moffat and Ford in 1977, perhaps that’s the reason for the measly “$1000” bonus he got from Ford after 1977?

Ford didn’t pull the pin on touring cars initially after the dreadful 1978 season for the Moffat Ford Dealers Team, but their 1979 plans didn’t include Moffat’s team running the cars.

The Ford plan was to run a works 2-car team of new XD Falcons for 1979, with Bond as lead driver and likely his team in Sydney prepping them (the other option was an in-house Ford team akin to Lot 6).

There was a chance Moffat would be offered a role as driver only, but the Malvern workshop wasn’t going to be involved.

Ford couldn’t work the XD into CAMS regs/CAMS wouldn’t work with Ford for 1979 though so Edsel Ford II pulled the pin completely….

Now, THERE'S a story I hadn't heard! Please tell me more!!!

I don't find it surprising that the Moffat/Ford relationship might've been tetchy, as Moffat was strong on the hustle.... but when you think about it, the Ford commitment to rallying was consistently strong...

Although some of that may have been marketing budgets for particular models too. I recall an interview with CB about the 1979 Repco Trial, where the only model line with unallocated budget was the Cortina, which was the reason it was chosen over the then-new XD, the development and launch for which had consumed all the monies Ford was willing/able to commit to it. As there were no real changes to the TE Cortina for the year, and no real marketing hook to pin money on for it ("now with different coloured dash inserts - the 1979 Cortina!!"), Ford Australia could warrant using the allocated Cortina marketing kitty to race GM-H around Australia.

Imagine if they'd won it!

It does seem weird that any likely Ford factory Group C program didn't automatically centre around Allan Moffat though: he was consistently the standard bearer for the Blue Oval throughout the 70's... nobody in Falcons got near his results.

[Peregrine]

He probably feels the same way Barry Ferguson does having to let Brocky win the Round Australia Trial.......

[xrystl]

IIRC Bond was cross entered in both vehicles (all the drivers were) and was offered the last stint in the lead car - "Jackie I" was to be in the winning vehicle at the finish - Carrol Smith called the shots as the team manager .

[storyline]

Unfortunately Carrol can't substantiate this now but I was talking to him at his last visit downunder for the Formula SAE events and his recollection is far from that (he wouldn't say much but it was very obvious that he did not remember those days with any fond memories).

He summed it up very well, I thought - as he put it, Colin wasn't the only shafted from that meeting and people have longgg memories.

[xrystl]

Originally Posted by storyline

Unfortunately Carrol can't substantiate this now but I was talking to him at his last visit downunder for the Formula SAE events and his recollection is far from that (he wouldn't say much but it was very obvious that he did not remember those days with any fond memories).

He summed it up very well, I thought - as he put it, Colin wasn't the only shafted from that meeting and people have longgg memories.

Not sure where my recollection comes from (too long ago) it may have been from Moffat himself or something that Allan Hamilton said sometime after the event - Hamilton had made the comment that if he had been in the car at the finish he would have overtaken the Moffat car ! - was in AA or Motor sport reporter after the event .

[racer69]

Agree with alot posted here. Bond was doing the right thing by the team as things stood at the time. One should wonder though if Bond had led all day and ran into brake problems whether Moffat would have stayed behind.....

While Bond might have regretted it later after the goings-on (money related from memory) in 1978, at the time the team was the force of Australian Touring Car racing, walking that years ATCC and then performing what is still the most famous and most remembered finish in Australian motor racing history.

Remember at the same time as Bond was racing with Moffat (77-78), he was running the Ford works team of Escort RS's in the Australian Rally Championship (ran them until the end of 1980), and while he was the team leader, he was content to run in a 'back-up', for want of a better word, to teammate (and i think Australia's best rally driver produced) Greg Carr who was getting all the glory. I think that says alot about the man.

[storyline]

Sorry - wasn't querying your recollection - it was just that the subject of the race came up when Carrol was out here - I remember thinking afterwards that it was a good job that he never wrote a book about it - too many 'alternate facts' might see the light of day!

Either way - he held Colin in extremely high regard - as a person and as a driver. Was refreshing to hear him give praise the way he did.

[deeks6]

Bondy = good bloke, great driver, terrible official ...

My recollection was that he was a LONG way behind when the order went out (there is even film of this) and Moffat slowed down to let him catch up. Regardless of the problem (brakes?) on the #1 car, it was far enough in front to win no matter what. I think some of these stories get a bit romantic with time (or subsequent feuds).

[storyline]

Believe you will find that Moffat definately had problems with the car - word over the last few years has been that if the car that came 2nd hadn't been one of the Moffat cars, then Moffat would NOT have won the race.

[sizzle]

Originally Posted by storyline

Believe you will find that Moffat definately had problems with the car - word over the last few years has been that if the car that came 2nd hadn't been one of the Moffat cars, then Moffat would NOT have won the race.

And that would be no surprise, why would you slow down and let another team win.

At the end of the day the bottom line was: lead team car leading, second team car coming second. No matter who you are, that is the way you as a team would expect them to finish. No more, no less.

Bondy is and was one of the greats. Just think he has made one or two wrong calls as a referee. Given that drivers also make one or two mistakes why is it a crime for anyone else. If one of the so called experts on here have never made a mistake then perhaps they had better have a new nick.

[Falcadore]

I have heard story told, that Bond was offerred a stint in the #1 but did not want to abandon Alan Hamilton. I'm too young to know anything personally on the subject.

[bathurst77]

Going by my login, you can guess this is somethign I thought and read about lots.

Bond did the right thing by staying back.
Some random thoughts on why i say that

For a start, C.B gained more P.R and fame by being #2 in that finish then he would have got if he had of won it. That finish was immortal and we are still discussing it 30 years later. but nobody talks about ..say. T Longhursts win much. A simple win by bond or moff would have been boring to all but "die hard race fans", but the 1-2 was history.

All 2 car teams use team orders at times. Thats part of the sport in the same way a cricket team might arrange for a certain batsman to score the winning runs or get his century when they are way in front (the other batsman might play dead and let the other guy face more) or a footy team that is scoring an easy try/goal might flick it to the hero to finish it off. It proves the teams dominance on the day, and demoralises the opposition and gets heaps of publicity.

Anyway, Moff had the race won, he slowed down to let C Bond catch up. Sure, his car was ailing, but he prob would have finished in front if he hadnt slowed for CB.

The original plan was for Moff and Bond to share car 1 and have others in car 2, Ford said no to that, bit that he can any other co-driver he liked. so moff got Ickx. Jacki Ickx broke the car they say, Moff was famous for being smooth and kind to cars.

I never did find out whay Alan Hamilton tho.

Moffat deserved the win, Moff ran the team, he built the cars. I have read how he mortgaged himself to the hock both financially and emothionally for that win. HE practised practised tested tested and worked his a$$ off to get the dominance that year, bondy would decline to test and practice and turned up for qualifying andd the races, then concentrate on his rally team.

CB was offered a stint in Moffs car during the day, and said no. So he could have won anyway, but decided to come second then.

The funny thing was in 79 and after when the team broke up. Bondy still had Ford factory backing and moff was left out in the cold. Bondy had the Ford factory 2 car rally team, Moff had a couple of 3 year old outdated cars, and no money.

Yep Bondy was an amazing driver (one of the best ever) and a top bloke (Still is a good guy) and he made the right choice that day, too.

[XW GT]

Maybe these comments are a bit off track from the original thread, but I used to have a few cool drinks with some of the people involved with Allan Moffat during the early 70s. They would all relate tales of low budget, resources and struggle, but everyone of them was driven by the passion of the man. In my opinion, Australia didn't have true Touring Car racing until the Coca Cola Mustang arrived, Moffat and the Mustang change Australian Motor Sport forever. I am an unashamed Allan Moffat fan and always will be. As a funny aside, I had the opportunity to meet my hero at Calder Park when he was at his peak. I was actually competing on the same weekend (and in the same race!), I walked over to him and asked for an autograph for my son, and was shattered when the great man told me to "buzz off"! You are still the greatest Allan.

[retro]

Bondy said on a Foxtel sports program last week that Moff had run out of brakes.

[storyline]

XW GT - one of the things that was always instilled into us in the days of Moffat racing - whether it was Ch 7, ABC or SBS - at Sandown was this.

During a race weekend there were certain teams who were strictly OFF LIMITS. These included Frank Gardner, Alan Moffat and Peter Brock.

When we enquired the reason it was put this way - it has nothing to do with personalities. These drivers are professionals BUT when they are at a race meeting tey are there to race - not talk to people, sign autographs etc. Unless we had something to ask them that would go to air, we were to avoid them.

And this is how it was - Brock wasn't too bad, Gardner a bit worse but Moffat - well everone got the same treatment you did - at the race meeting.

Away from the meeting though it was a completely different story - as nice as pie (as the saying goes).

I think once we were told this and understood it our opinions changed for what we originally saw as hard faced *******s.

[xrystl]

Looking back at the touring car drivers from the sixties and seventies - 90% of them had normal day jobs and were just weekend warriors , even the likes of Geoghegan - Beechey - Fred Gibson - Bond - Goss - and most others were gainfully employed during the week : those few who were professional racing drivers spent so much of their time searching for the extra $$$ to keep the teams afloat , I think it was only Moffat and Brock who were employed as race car drivers .

[Kingair]

Mr Bond was playing the long game, for the team and Ford.