V8 Supercar Project Blueprint Parity (Merged)

vatuloa · 11 Nov 2003, 07:15 (Ref:779533)

As Holden have won the last 3 races and in the last race the top 7 were all Holden. The parity adjustment that was going to Falcon earlier in the year before SBR had their run. Should it now be adjusted.

Grimace · 11 Nov 2003, 07:22 (Ref:779535)

vatuloa you are right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

P A R I T Y adjustments must be introduced immediatly.

Its a Parity formula and thats the rules..good competive

racing between makes.

The lead Falcons are now lacking car speed.

Everyone can plainly see that.

No Falcon can do a sub 8 at Bathurst>>>> nowhere near

it!!!!!!!!!!!! without concessions...

Parity adjustments please......

DAVID PATERSON · 11 Nov 2003, 08:06 (Ref:779557)

As GTR has detailed in another thread, the parity review committee studies lap times not race results and it's rather more scientific than most people realise. The formula they use, lessens the "Outrider" effect of having one team who is particularly on the ball and blows out the standard distribution curve, thus ensuring that the basic specification of the cars is virtually equal in performance.

Dazz · 11 Nov 2003, 08:27 (Ref:779568)

So where was the parity adjustment when Ford won what, five rounds in a row?

Parity adjustments, meh, get a life you whinging buggers

**GTRMagic** · 11 Nov 2003, 08:30 (Ref:779569)

How do you measure parity when there are very few pukka VY/VY/Auroras in the field?

SHRT runs one, Dynamik runs one (Wills' is a converted GMS VT), CPR runs one, GRM runs one, PMM runs one.

The rest either have VX engines aboard, or converted from VX..or both... or are VX's anyway....

How silly would it be to compare a hotchpotch of Holdens which are not of comparable configuration (or even within the design intentions of Project Blueprint)??

The Hrt Kid · 11 Nov 2003, 09:13 (Ref:779599)

um a holden won the last round, while aford won the round before that. Ford have had dominance all season just as holden are getting a few wins together and now ya want pairty. geeze you are a typical ford supporter. SOOK!

Grimace · 11 Nov 2003, 09:30 (Ref:779612)

Holden should be made to run the full Blueprint VY Aurora deal..not a hotchpotch-

why not its NOVEMBER now plenty of time!!!!!!!!!!

**GTRMagic** · 11 Nov 2003, 09:32 (Ref:779614)

The parity assessment system has zero to do with car wins, zero to do with points scored, and all to do with car speed and laptimes.

And a Holden did win the last round, but it was a VX bodyshell with a VY front end stuck on it, with a VX engine aboard, hardly the 'Blueprint' specification.

It is impossible to measure parity between the 2 Blueprint models when the Holden camp are so variable in their model make up. It requires a mandatory imposition to be enacted stating that any car wanting to run as a VY needs to be a proper Aurora-equipped, VY shell, otherwise it must be a VX.

Or this noise will drag on for all of 2004...

Grimace · 11 Nov 2003, 09:32 (Ref:779615)

Quote:

Originally posted by DAVID PATERSON
As GTR has detailed in another thread, the parity review committee studies lap times not race results and it's rather more scientific than most people realise. The formula they use, lessens the "Outrider" effect of having one team who is particularly on the ball and blows out the standard distribution curve, thus ensuring that the basic specification of the cars is virtually equal in performance.

well explained David , now let us have the Parity review!!

NOT TALK about it

Grimace · 11 Nov 2003, 09:37 (Ref:779619)

Quote:

Originally posted by GTRMagic
The parity assessment system has zero to do with car wins, zero to do with points scored, and all to do with car speed and laptimes.

And a Holden did win the last round, but it was a VX bodyshell with a VY front end stuck on it, with a VX engine aboard, hardly the 'Blueprint' specification.

It is impossible to measure parity between the 2 Blueprint models when the Holden camp are so variable in their model make up. It requires a mandatory imposition to be enacted stating that any car wanting to run as a VY needs to be a proper Aurora-equipped, VY shell, otherwise it must be a VX.

Or this noise will drag on for all of 2004...

Have a look at the fastest Holden lap times at Bathurst and in NZ and the Falcon times

At Surfers it was not a runaway win for Ingall, it was very even with him and Murphy,

but on the fast tracks it a damn joke

tiko · 11 Nov 2003, 09:55 (Ref:779633)

Grimace must be a ford supporter... all is good when winning but once the holden boys get their new cars sorted and started winning that parity word comes out again..

pete55 · 11 Nov 2003, 09:56 (Ref:779634)

Avesco/TEGA have caused the problem by allowing 3 different versions of a Commodore to run. There should have only been 2, a VY and a VX. The VY should have run the new engine, the VX the old.

v8man · 11 Nov 2003, 10:18 (Ref:779650)

give it a rest will you, the reason for the result on the weekend is because the cars were set up better for the track and a little bit of luck with the safety car in the previous race with Bright and Richards. Parity will never mean that every race we will have a ford and holden fighting for first all the way, just look at handicap races, planed so that all cars finish together, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Just accept that this is going to happen just as it will be a SBR 1-2 at Eastern Creek with DJR in 3rd. Now then you can complain about parity if DJR get on the podium

greg mcdonald · 11 Nov 2003, 10:55 (Ref:779677)

Parity will be adjusted b4 Eastern Creek

The Rules are very straight forward and TEGA have been reminded of the implications if the Rules are not upheld

Dave HRT Moy · 11 Nov 2003, 11:00 (Ref:779683)

Grimace, give it up mate. You have little if any support for your parity rants.

As for the cars that Holden teams field, they are basically VX, and VY. If you run a new spec motor, you can't go back to the 18 degree. Simple really.

That Holden teams were able to graft a VY nose and front suspension onto a VX, does not make it a separately recognised model. Apart from the basic sheetmetal and body kit, there are only minor rollcage and front inner guard changes needed to convert the older model.

If Ford teams could cost effectively modify AU's to BA's then I'm sure that they would have. And a modified AU to BA, would still have been a BA in terms of the way it would be treated under the rules.

So whilst there are variations in how some teams have arrived at their VY racecar (converted VX or ground up VY), they are both treated as a VY in terms of the rulebook.

So we have 2 cars running from Holden, a VX and a VY, just like there are AU and BA Falcons.

The engines are a little different but hardly a major difference, as Skaife and Murphy are clearly showing with their "old" engines, there is (as yet) zero performance gain in running the HMS engine.

Don't you think if Ford are succesful with their campaign for a new engine that they wont want similar introduction concessions to the ones that Holden teams have received?

Why do you think that they haven't kicked up too much of a stink about it?

It's all politics at the end of the day boys and girls...

Dave HRT Moy · 11 Nov 2003, 11:01 (Ref:779684)

Quote:

Originally posted by greg mcdonald
Parity will be adjusted b4 Eastern Creek
The Rules are very straight forward and TEGA have been reminded of the implications if the Rules are not upheld

If there was a parity adjustement made prior to Eastern Creek it would look like the biggest free kick to Ford in history...

The ramifications of such a decision would hurt the sport far more than another Holden championship win.

Joe public sees Ambrose walk away with 5 round wins, lose a couple due to his and the teams own errors, then TEGA kneecaps the Holdens two weeks before the last event?

(Please don't use the Ford pre Bathurst handicapping from a few years back as a defence, it's different in oh so many ways).

Mate, good luck. I hope the coppers bring their riot shields and water cannon to the creek. If Ambrose won it becuase of cobbled Commodores, I'd hate to be sitting in the middle of 15 000 drunk, p!ssed off Holden fans....:confused:

Grimace · 11 Nov 2003, 11:06 (Ref:779685)

All very well argued but you wont get a Falcon capable of

under 2.08s at Bathurst(nowhere near it)..there is inequality plain and

simple..

Bathurst well showed the true speed differential!!!

greg mcdonald · 11 Nov 2003, 11:09 (Ref:779686)

Quote:

Originally posted by Dave HRT Moy
Garbage !

Really

Ask Mr.Grech, not a happy chappy tonight

greg mcdonald · 11 Nov 2003, 11:22 (Ref:779699)

Quote:

Originally posted by Dave HRT Moy
If there was a parity adjustement made prior to Eastern Creek it would look like the biggest free kick to Ford in history...

The ramifications of such a decision would hurt the sport far more than another Holden championship win.

Joe public sees Ambrose walk away with 5 round wins, lose a couple due to his and the teams own errors, then TEGA kneecaps the Holdens two weeks before the last event?

(Please don't use the Ford pre Bathurst handicapping from a few years back as a defence, it's different in oh so many ways).

Mate, good luck. I hope the coppers bring their riot shields and water cannon to the creek. If Ambrose won it becuase of cobbled Commodores, I'd hate to be sitting in the middle of 15 000 drunk, p!ssed off Holden fans....:confused:

Why did you change your entire post??
P.S.Don't ring Grouch, he's TRYING to get to sleep

L34 · 11 Nov 2003, 11:23 (Ref:779701)

Please dont let it be true as I dont think I could handle the bleeting from HRT, sorry Kmart fans.

Grimace · 11 Nov 2003, 12:01 (Ref:779717)

Quote:

Originally posted by Dave HRT Moy
If there was a parity adjustement made prior to Eastern Creek it would look like the biggest free kick to Ford in history...

The ramifications of such a decision would hurt the sport far more than another Holden championship win.

Joe public sees Ambrose walk away with 5 round wins, lose a couple due to his and the teams own errors, then TEGA kneecaps the Holdens two weeks before the last event?

(Please don't use the Ford pre Bathurst handicapping from a few years back as a defence, it's different in oh so many ways).

Mate, good luck. I hope the coppers bring their riot shields and water cannon to the creek. If Ambrose won it becuase of cobbled Commodores, I'd hate to be sitting in the middle of 15 000 drunk, p!ssed off Holden fans....:confused:

The biggest free kick to Ford?????????????????

They are clearly slower and you well know it would be a miracle if Ambrose keeps up with the lead Holdens at EC

It just wont happen - get real- its so bloody obvious-

HRT/KRT have a strong carspeed advantage-it wont be a Ford/Holden race, maybe in qualifying but not in the race

EXCEPT!!!!if the poms perform some miracle of horsepower extraction on the supposed fitting of the newly developed powerplant for Craig Lowndes BA-

thats if it arrives as they said it would for the last round- One things for sure Craig will use it to full advantage if it arrives:confused:

Crash Test · 11 Nov 2003, 12:40 (Ref:779744)

I'll be barking for Ambrose at EC, but he doesn't need any concessions- just needs to pull his finger out!

Wizzby · 11 Nov 2003, 13:02 (Ref:779772)

Grimace are you related to Mark Larkham? I reckon he's the only bloke I've heard mutter the P word more than you!

jk

Crash Test · 11 Nov 2003, 13:06 (Ref:779777)

Latest race wins-
H, H, H, F, F, H, H, F, F, F, F, F, F, etc etc

Huge parity drama there!

Wizzby · 11 Nov 2003, 13:07 (Ref:779778)

Why don't we just do away with parity all together and be done with it? :confused:

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