2019 FIA Formula 3 season

Biscuits In A Red Bull · 22 Oct 2018, 21:21 (Ref:3858502)

Well well, the FIA's stranglehold over the junior single seater ladder has almost been completed. The teams list for the 2019 season is out, and it is very GP3 focused. No Motopark, no VAR, but HWA join, and Prema unsurprisingly survive the jump.

The teams list:

ART Grand Prix
Campos Racing
Carlin
Charouz Racing System
Hitech GP
HWA Team
Jenzer Motorsport
MP Motorsport
Prema Powerteam
Trident

Whatever the F3-level alternatives are that will also run in 2019 are unclear, aside from the bizarre W Series and the ever-unimportant Euroformula Open series. Renault have their plans it seems.

Anyway, I can't imagine a calendar too different from past GP3 calendars, although I am hopeful for a cameo appearance at the Pau Grand Prix or the like. I also wonder what this move will mean for Macau and the likes of Japanese F3...

gert · 22 Oct 2018, 21:39 (Ref:3858507)

I can imagine Motopark's and VAR's anger at not being selected.
Especially when some teams that weren't involved in F3 or GP3 have been selected.

HWA? What single-seater experience do they have?
Charouz? They have been in F2 since - 1 full season?

peebee2 · 23 Oct 2018, 03:32 (Ref:3858542)

Motopark not really a great surprise, as well known to Bruno since Russian Time days.

VAR more of a surprise though what issues since the investor/owner’s son stopped racing?

HWA and Charouz can afford the guarantees of running the three cars for the three seasons...

**FIRE** · 23 Oct 2018, 17:17 (Ref:3858648)

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Originally Posted by peebee2

VAR more of a surprise though what issues since the investor/owner’s son stopped racing?

You are confused with the other Dutch team MP Motorsport.

LavidaLoca · 23 Oct 2018, 17:36 (Ref:3858653)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

You are confused with the other Dutch team MP Motorsport.

Kami Laliberté's father was the investor of VAR , he left racing last year ...

**FIRE** · 23 Oct 2018, 19:46 (Ref:3858702)

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Originally Posted by LavidaLoca

Kami Laliberté's father was the investor of VAR , he left racing last year ...

Aha didn't know that.

LavidaLoca · 23 Oct 2018, 05:11 (Ref:3858550)

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Originally Posted by Biscuits In A Red Bull

Whatever the F3-level alternatives are that will also run in 2019 are unclear, aside from the bizarre W Series and the ever-unimportant Euroformula Open series. Renault have their plans it seems.

Do not forget the "F3 Euro Series" with the current cars supported by the current DTM organiser, which should run alongside DTM Events .

Charouz has been active racing team for severall years back in Formula 3000 so they are eligible to this new series alongside the fact that they also have deep pockets.

My personal guess is VAR and Motopark have been left aside for financial reasons.

smithhehehaha · 23 Oct 2018, 13:33 (Ref:3858623)

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Originally Posted by LavidaLoca

Do not forget the "F3 Euro Series" with the current cars supported by the current DTM organiser, which should run alongside DTM Events .

Charouz has been active racing team for severall years back in Formula 3000 so they are eligible to this new series alongside the fact that they also have deep pockets.

My personal guess is VAR and Motopark have been left aside for financial reasons.

I think there's no financial difficulty for Motopark and VAR, indeed Motopark express their anguish for failing to join new F3

Biscuits In A Red Bull · 27 Oct 2018, 21:37 (Ref:3859496)

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Originally Posted by LavidaLoca

Do not forget the "F3 Euro Series" with the current cars supported by the current DTM organiser, which should run alongside DTM Events .

Has the incomprehensible W Series filled this role?

NaBUru38 · 23 Oct 2018, 18:07 (Ref:3858664)

So FIA F3 will jump from 240 hp to 350 hp. But the other "regional" F3 championships will remain with the previous performances.

That's a very stupid rebranding.

**bella** · 23 Oct 2018, 18:13 (Ref:3858670)

no it's not. it's been running like that for several years already with brdc f3 in the uk.

i guess they're running f3 and f3 regional on the same tyres as before?

loon · 23 Oct 2018, 19:55 (Ref:3858705)

This is just the same FIA stitch up, make all series spec, same suppliers, same teams, same people, this is why they hate GT3 and TCR so much,formulas outside of their control.

Juntos · 23 Oct 2018, 22:26 (Ref:3858739)

This GP3 with a different name. This new FIA F3 series gives a bad name to F3 legacy.

smithhehehaha · 27 Oct 2018, 14:19 (Ref:3859448)

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Originally Posted by Juntos

This GP3 with a different name. This new FIA F3 series gives a bad name to F3 legacy.

Wish all of us can enjoy this year's Macau GP, with a good farewell to Dallara F3

Juntos · 27 Oct 2018, 22:28 (Ref:3859502)

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Originally Posted by smithhehehaha

Wish all of us can enjoy this year's Macau GP, with a good farewell to Dallara F3

We will keep watching to the last Dallara F3 in Spain's Euroformula and in the DTM Euro Series of F3.

smithhehehaha · 28 Oct 2018, 15:00 (Ref:3859595)

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Originally Posted by Juntos

We will keep watching to the last Dallara F3 in Spain's Euroformula and in the DTM Euro Series of F3.

But the mainstream is those non-Dallara F3 series

ptclaus98 · 26 Nov 2018, 19:03 (Ref:3866145)

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Originally Posted by Juntos

We will keep watching to the last Dallara F3 in Spain's Euroformula and in the DTM Euro Series of F3.

And Japanese F3.

Damn, I leave for 4 years and you guys let them make F3 spec?

peebee2 · 27 Oct 2018, 21:41 (Ref:3859498)

No they’ll both be there (if they get drivers).

peebee2 · 28 Oct 2018, 16:47 (Ref:3859605)

Always the great beauty of F3 was that there were several series worldwide that were basically all the same.

Now there are going to be something like ten series, of at least five different specs! Madness.

Juntos · 29 Oct 2018, 03:22 (Ref:3859690)

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Originally Posted by peebee2

Now there are going to be something like ten series, of at least five different specs! Madness.

Great piece of work of Signori Lamborghini.

V8 Fireworks · 1 Nov 2018, 16:31 (Ref:3860389)

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Originally Posted by peebee2

Now there are going to be something like ten series, of at least five different specs! Madness.

One has to admit, the "Regional F3" formulas (i.e., more powerful f4 cars) have been hugely popular. Maybe it really is the future?

Regional F3 cars use off the shelf 2.0 turbos (for instance, F3 Americas use the Civic Type R engine, while American F4 uses the base model Civic engine -- both stock block, off the shelf engines) which has to cut costs drastically compared to the highly tuned racing versions of engines used in classic F3, surely?

International F3 can be rebranded GP3. There is a clear distinct in the level and cost of Regional F3 and International F3.

One would have loved to retain classic F2 as an open formula, but ultimately F3000 -- which unfortunately ultimately became spec -- and GP2 has proved hugely popular, and eventually rebranded as F2 again. Much as Japan initially stuck with the old F2 rules, they will also stick with "classic" F3 for the time being too.

**bella** · 1 Nov 2018, 18:08 (Ref:3860401)

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Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

One has to admit, the "Regional F3" formulas (i.e., more powerful f4 cars) have been hugely popular. Maybe it really is the future?

whilst i agree with you and i think standardising the formula renault level stuff is a good idea, i'm not sure it is the future in the uk - brdc f3 teeters on the brink despite a decent car, reasonably priced tyres and not completely daft running costs. granted, it's not the current spec regional f3, but it may as well be.

but maybe we can't support anything more expensive than f4 here any more.

Juntos · 1 Nov 2018, 22:35 (Ref:3860435)

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Originally Posted by bella

but maybe we can't support anything more expensive than f4 here any more.

And why is that?

**bella** · 1 Nov 2018, 23:23 (Ref:3860440)

i dunno, a combination of budgets being too high and drivers not having the money, and finding the career prospects better in stuff with a roof on like ginettas, touring cars and gt racing?

Juntos · 3 Nov 2018, 22:05 (Ref:3860781)

Let there be light! but how about the drivers being looking for F1 style tracks instead of hitting post-war racing circuits?

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