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Old 6 Dec 2007, 13:53 (Ref:2082827)   #1
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Top Gear vs Fifth Gear
Thought I'd start this up as a bit of fun as I saw somewhere the suggestion that next year's BritCar 24hr should have teams entered from both Top Gear and Fifth Gear. Driver lineups would then be as follows:

Top Gear: Jeremy Clarkson, Richard Hammond, James May, The Stig

Fifth Gear: Tiff Needell, Vicky Butler-Henderson, Jason Plato, Tom Ford

Think I know who'd win...!

Come on guys, make this happen - the Battle of British Motoring Journalists starts here!!
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Old 6 Dec 2007, 13:55 (Ref:2082829)   #2
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the Battle of British Motoring Journalists starts here!!
In the Marshals Forum?
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Old 6 Dec 2007, 14:31 (Ref:2082853)   #3
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I think Needell and Plato would have the edge in touring car races, but in the driving-across-Northampton-in-a-self-built-aerocar races TG might sneak it.
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Old 6 Dec 2007, 14:44 (Ref:2082863)   #4
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5th Gear guys easily! 3 of them have racing license's whereas 3 of team TG would still count as novice's??
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Old 6 Dec 2007, 16:16 (Ref:2082916)   #5
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I think if you take out Tiff Neddell and James May, things may even themselves out a bit.
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Old 6 Dec 2007, 16:47 (Ref:2082935)   #6
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Mark's right. Good question, wrong forum.
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Old 6 Dec 2007, 18:14 (Ref:2082988)   #7
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If I was marshalling Top Gear would win as Fifth Gear would not finish;
I have marshalled when Tiff has been driving many times over the years, Thruxton & Goodwood, usually more than one race at each event and I have NEVER witnessed Tuff Noodle finish a race let alone win one!

Crash following his own error, crash involving someone else, mechanical breakdown, questionable lack of performance and retiring (GW Revivial this year), I've seen it all.

I met him a couple of years ago and held back from telling him this!
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Old 6 Dec 2007, 20:55 (Ref:2083140)   #8
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If I was marshalling Top Gear would win as Fifth Gear would not finish;
I have marshalled when Tiff has been driving many times over the years, Thruxton & Goodwood, usually more than one race at each event and I have NEVER witnessed Tuff Noodle finish a race let alone win one!

Crash following his own error, crash involving someone else, mechanical breakdown, questionable lack of performance and retiring (GW Revivial this year), I've seen it all.

I met him a couple of years ago and held back from telling him this!

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Old 6 Dec 2007, 19:57 (Ref:2083087)   #9
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We always refer to him as "Stiff Needle".

Remember quite a few years back when he was racing at Le Mans - team consisted of: Dad Derek Bell, Son Justin Bell and "daughter" Tiffany Bell!

Don't care who races or who wins - if it gets publicity and ultimately more marshals for the event then coverage can only be a good thing.
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Old 6 Dec 2007, 20:12 (Ref:2083103)   #10
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For me it would have to be Top Gear.
They just seem to have more fun and being complete idiots at the same time.

don`t get me wrong,i enjoy 5th Gear.
but it ain`t got the fun factor..

maybe the Mods could start a poll on this thread aswell
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Old 6 Dec 2007, 21:17 (Ref:2083154)   #11
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top gear and 5th gear are different types of programs really

top gear is a laugh

5th gear is a fairy serious car review program
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Old 6 Dec 2007, 22:34 (Ref:2083217)   #12
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Wasn't Tiff Needell once described as a "failed racing driver" Due to his apparent inability to finish, let alone finish well in races?
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Old 7 Dec 2007, 07:03 (Ref:2083377)   #13
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Wasn't Tiff Needell once described as a "failed racing driver" Due to his apparent inability to finish, let alone finish well in races?
No bottle, at least its what I heard so of course thats gospel truth??????
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Old 7 Dec 2007, 08:09 (Ref:2083401)   #14
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Wasn't Tiff Needell once described as a "failed racing driver" Due to his apparent inability to finish, let alone finish well in races?

3rd at Le Mans 1990 (first privateer and first Porsche) is a superb achievement.
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Old 7 Dec 2007, 10:35 (Ref:2083483)   #15
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top gear for me

Purely because its fun and a laugh. Not too many programmes around nowadays that do what they want, ignoring the political correctness brigade..well..actually telling them f-off which is even better
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Old 7 Dec 2007, 18:46 (Ref:2083839)   #16
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Despite the apparent advantage in experienced racers, I'm not so sure the 5th Gear team would win.

As already pointed out, Tiffany hasn't finished a race since about 1973 (and wouldn't finish this one either after being "accidentally" shunted by Clarkson).

Obviously Plato is top class, but so's The Stig.

I bet Hammond's quicker than VBH (certainly on the straights...).

Which leaves Tom Ford and James May ... both of whom are likely to offer little more than being a mobile chicane for everyone else (including the safety car).
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Old 9 Dec 2007, 18:21 (Ref:2084966)   #17
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Can you see seat letting plato take part at that point of the season. If so topgear should take on matt neal and make it evan more interesting.
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Old 11 Dec 2007, 05:00 (Ref:2086203)   #18
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Just a question... Is James May really that slow?

Does someone have the Fastest Lap times for the four of them after the BritCar 24hrs at Silverstone to compare?
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Old 11 Dec 2007, 09:58 (Ref:2086334)   #19
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I should think James May is a perfectly competent driver when he needs to be. I doubt his laps were much (if any) slower than Hammond and Clarkson.
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I should think James May is a perfectly competent driver when he needs to be. I doubt his laps were much (if any) slower than Hammond and Clarkson.
To quote the man himself "I don't drive fast unless it is absolutly nesscary because I'm a gentleman."
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Fifth Gear was more enjoyable when they weren't trying to be Top Gear.
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Old 10 Jul 2009, 13:45 (Ref:2498972)   #22
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To quote the man himself "I don't drive fast unless it is absolutly nesscary because I'm a gentleman."


In front of the cameras,may-be.
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The results and lap chart are on MST if you are interested - http://www.msttiming.com/eerc/2007/73663.pdf

Best time was 2m 16.298s on lap 2. The rest of Stig's stint was in the 2:18-2:19 range. I forget who went out for the second stint but times were a good 10 secs a lap slower.
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I think James got down to 2.24s,really not that bad,first ever race-first time at Sliverstone etc.In fact I think all three of them were within a second or so of that time.
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The results and lap chart are on MST if you are interested - http://www.msttiming.com/eerc/2007/73663.pdf

Best time was 2m 16.298s on lap 2. The rest of Stig's stint was in the 2:18-2:19 range. I forget who went out for the second stint but times were a good 10 secs a lap slower.
If anyone is still interested in this link, it has since changed to: http://www.tsl-timing.com/eerc/2007/73663.pdf

MST has become TSL.
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