Alfa romeo 308/ 8c 35/ 12c 36/ 12c 37/ 412

[WANHER]

Those magnificients car were still on duty after WWII some in EUROPE
and other in South America

8c 35 in Europe is known as the D Poore car
308 was the car driven by R Sommer 'Le Sanglier des Ardennes'
and famous JP Wimille virtual World Champion
Now South American saga
Alfa Romeo entered for A Varzi a 12c/37 with 4500 unblown or a 308
with unblown 4500 ?
I 've read somewhere that 308 were updated 8c/35
312 12c/36
316 12c/37
Alfa Romeo entered for ? Galvez (Oscar or brother Juan) 308
Alfa Romeo entered for C Bucci till 1953 308
Alfa romeo entered for ? Pessatti 8C/35 and then after rebodied
as 158 Alfetta look
This list is not close because old warriors never die
Help information are very scarce chassis numbers or entrants

[WANHER]

The 412 were sport car first race GP d'Anvers in 1940
but hoops I did it again I forget Australia sorry Ray


Robert

[Ray Bell]

Forgot what?

Though there was a bimotore in New Zealand, I don't think there was anything more modern in the way of racing Alfas than Saywell's P3... just the Barrett/Egerton/Steele Monza, Davison's live axle P3 and Saywell's Dubonnet version...

Err... there was a Sports Racing model ran here for a few months in 1975.

Wahner,
Do you have a specific question? We might be able finding an answer for you.

[Ray Bell]

"Might"? Hans, have you developed a penchant for the classic understatement?

Wahner does mention chassis numbers and entrants...

I hope for a more specific question to come forward. Which years, what races, which cars? What exactly is it that we are we looking for? I can look up a few chassis numbers or entrants but for which events? Why would I spend half an hour to look up something when I am not sure it is going to help? I don't do it for myself and won't do it for others. Therefore, I need to know more or less what we are looking for and citing 10 or 11 Alfa models over 20 years is a large field to cover for anybody.

But instead I can recommend some Alfa literature, which cover the history of the company and their cars:

• Hull, Peter, ALFA ROMEO, Somerset, England: Foulis, Haynes Publishing Group, 1975.
• Owen, David, Viva! ALFA ROMEO, Sparkford, Yeovil, Somerset: Haynes Publishing Co., 1976.
• Fusi, Luigi, ALFA ROMEO All Cars From 1910, Third Edition, Milano: Emmeti Grafica, 1978.
• Hull, Peter, & Slater, Roy, ALFA ROMEO A History, Revised Edition, Wellingborough: Transport Bookman Publications, 1982.
• Borgeson, Griffith, The Alfa Romeo Tradition, Somerset, England: Foulis, Haynes Publishing Group, 1990.

[WANHER]

Dear Hans and Ray, my question is in fact :
The car developped for A Varzi after the war for the
Temporada in 1947 should it be a 12C/37 and is st the same car for
C Bucci and the second question which is then the car that
Galvez and 'Raph' obviously a 308 which one ? I know that
'Raph' drives the Naphtra Course car.
The year should be 1947 or 1948 for the last one
Thanks
Robert

[Ray Bell]

That's purely Hans territory... leave me out of that, I'll not even hazard a guess.

Below extracts from Tony Kaye's South American List 12/2000

9 February 1947, Buenos Aires, Palermo Park
2. Varzi (Alfa Romeo 308)
NF "Raph" (Maserati 6C 1.5 s/c)
NF Oscar Galvez (Alfa Romeo 308 50017)
NF Juan Galvez (Alfa Romeo P3 3.2 s/c)
? Clemar Bucci (Cadillac) car was entered

16 February 1947, Buenos Aires, Palermo Park
6. "Raph" (Maserati 6C 1.5 s/c)
7. Juan Galvez (Alfa Romeo 3.2 s/c)
NF Varzi (Alfa Romeo 308)
NF Oscar Galvez (Alfa Romeo 308 50017)
? Clemar Bucci (Cadillac) car was entered

23 February 1947, Rosario
1. Varzi (Alfa Romeo 308)
3. Oscar Galvez (Alfa Romeo 308 50017)
5. Juan Galvez (Alfa Romeo P3 3.2 s/c)
7. Clemar Bucci (Cadillac)
11."Raph" (Maserati 6C 1.5 s/c)

20 March 1947, Rafaela
1. Oscar Galvez (Alfa Romeo 308 50017)
3. Juan Galvez (Alfa Romeo P3 3.2 s/c)

30 March 1947, Interlagos
1. Varzi (Alfa Romeo 308)
? "Raph" (Maserati 6C 1.5 s/c) car was entered

20 April 1947, San Martin (Mendoza)
1. Clemar Bucci (Cadillac)

21 April 1947, Gavea
3. "Raph" (Maserati 6C 1.5 s/c)
NF Varzi (Alfa Romeo 308)

13 July 1947, Bell Ville
1. Oscar Galvez (Alfa Romeo 308 50017)
NS Juan Galvez (Alfa Romeo 3.2 s/c) car DNS, valves

17 August 1947, Plya Ramirez
1. Oscar Galvez (Alfa Romeo 308 50017)
NF Juan Galvez (Alfa Romeo 3.2 s/c)

21 September 1947, Mar del Plata
1. Oscar Galvez (Alfa Romeo 308 50017)

The 1947 records available to me show that Varzi drove a 308 Alfa.

17-18 January 1948, Buenos Aires, Heat 1
2. Varzi (Alfa Romeo 12C-37 51204)

17-18 January 1948, Buenos Aires, Heat 2
2. Oscar Galvez (Alfa Romeo 308 50017)
7. "Raph" (Maserati 4CL 1588)
? Juan Galvez (Alfa Romeo 3.2 s/c) car was entered

17-18 January 1948, Buenos Aires, Final
6. "Raph" (Maserati 4CL 1588)
NF Oscar Galvez (Alfa Romeo 308 50017)
NF Varzi (Alfa Romeo 12C-37 51204)

25 January 1948, Mar del Plata
2. Varzi (Alfa Romeo 12C-37 51204)
4. Oscar Galvez (Maserati 4CL)

1 February 1948, Rosario
NF Oscar Galvez (Alfa Romeo 308 50017)
NF Varzi (Alfa Romeo 12C-37 51204)
NF "Raph" (Alfa Romeo 308)

14 February 1948, Buenos Aires
2. Oscar Galvez (Alfa Romeo 308 50017)
3. "Raph" (Maserati 4CL)
NF Varzi (Alfa Romeo 12C-37 51204)

21 March 1948, Interlagos
2. "Raph" (Alfa Romeo 308)
NF Varzi (Alfa Romeo 12C-37 51204)

28 March 1948, Necochea Beach
1. Oscar Galvez (Alfa Romeo 308 50017)

25 April, 1948, Gavea
NF "Raph" (Alfa Romeo 308)

[WANHER]

Hi Hans
Thanks for your information about the career
of Alfa Romeo 308 in South America .
Is there any cars that survive today ?
Robert

Wahner,
I hope that I answered your question of which cars your five drivers, mentioned in your first post, were using for the two years in South America. Why do you call it a career of the Alfa Romeo 308 in South America, when I inform you about ALL cars?

There were only three 308's in South America during 1947, driven by Achille Varzi, Oscar Valdez and Chico Landi. In 1948, this went down to two 308's for Oscar Valdez and Chico Landi with "Raph" and Wimille appearing on two occasions during 1948 in the one Ecurie Naphtra Course Alfa Romeo 308.

I do not know what happened to any of those cars.

[WANHER]

Thanks Hans for searching it for me
I can now complete my data files
Robert

[fines]

WANHER, try http://www.symbolicmotors.com/frames...c37/12c37.html, it has some interesting info on Alfas.

[MarkB]

There is a 308 which is occasionally raced in British historic racing

[WANHER]

Thanks everybody
Reading the story to the attachment from fines
I read that Varzi's car was intended to become
a 2 seaters for the MM. I read sometime ago in
a well known british book that it was converted
in a 2 seaters by C Bucci and after fitted with
a 1900 Alfa ? and that the remains were put on
storage ?