Toyota to leave Formula 1?

Pingguest · 27 Apr 2006, 13:41 (Ref:1596244)

A reliable Dutch website is reporting that Toyota might leave Formula 1. Team manager John Howett has said Toyota disagrees with the FIA-policy about cost cutting measures. Howett fears that proposed regulations for the 2008 regulations will make an end to Formula 1's position as pinnacle of motorsport.

For those who can read Dutch:
http://www.f1today.nl/index.php?loca...&nieuwsid=5913

JeremySmith · 27 Apr 2006, 14:06 (Ref:1596259)

I think they should and give the opening to a real team..

ASCII Man · 27 Apr 2006, 14:10 (Ref:1596262)

It's still the same old drivel that they don't feel wanted in F1.
Nothing new really.

JeremySmith · 27 Apr 2006, 14:12 (Ref:1596266)

They can throw all the money in the world at this, I just don't think it is meant to be..Why they are there in the first place beats me to be honest!

ECW Dan Selby · 27 Apr 2006, 16:14 (Ref:1596337)

Yeh I agree. It's a little sickening seeing the amount of money they throw around, but it's funnier seeing how little progress they make...

I may sound proper anti-Toyota, but I honestly don't really mind them. But if they're going to just sulk at how they can't throw their money around anymore, then be rid of them.

There's another 12 guys who'd quite enjoy the chance to fill their shoes i'd imagine.

Selby

DeoValente · 27 Apr 2006, 16:19 (Ref:1596338)

The story dont make sense. In a way stricter rules have already ensured todays engines are more basic than ever, without variable trumpets, fixed points of gravity, etc etc. And judging from ralfs pace at Imola it would be crazy to stop now that they seem to be having the pace. It was not far of that of Fisichella in the championship winning Renault.

Knowlesy · 27 Apr 2006, 16:40 (Ref:1596354)

But it was light years off Alonso, in the other championship winning Renault.

How much of this moaning from Toyota is related to the fact they aren't doing well I wonder? Is this just a convenient smoke screen?

ralf fan · 27 Apr 2006, 16:40 (Ref:1596355)

Good riddence IMO. They've been nothing but a constant source of moaning and whinging since they came...

JeremySmith · 27 Apr 2006, 23:37 (Ref:1596606)

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Originally Posted by ralf fan

Good riddence IMO. They've been nothing but a constant source of moaning and whinging since they came...

Ohhh and cheating...

So we are told?

**Adam43** · 28 Apr 2006, 07:09 (Ref:1596719)

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Originally Posted by ralf fan

Good riddence IMO. They've been nothing but a constant source of moaning and whinging since they came...

Who, Toyota or the average F1 fan?

Peter Nightingale · 29 Apr 2006, 02:06 (Ref:1597296)

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Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

Who, Toyota or the average F1 fan?

TOYOTA , sadly , there is nothing wrong with F1 as it is now... Cheers.

sonic · 2 May 2006, 19:31 (Ref:1599593)

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Originally Posted by ralf fan

Good riddence IMO. They've been nothing but a constant source of moaning and whinging since they came...

totally agree> the dullest team in F1 EVER. the sponsors, the livery, ALL of their drivers, completely yawnsome. gascoigne was the only interesting this about it. Sayonara cant come soon enough.

kdr · 3 May 2006, 10:53 (Ref:1599961)

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Originally Posted by sonic

totally agree> the dullest team in F1 EVER. the sponsors, the livery, ALL of their drivers, completely yawnsome. gascoigne was the only interesting this about it. Sayonara cant come soon enough.

hard to believe this is a description of the manufacturer who brought us (imho) the most awesomely wayoutthere sexy racecar ever built. so sad.

marzF1rocks · 27 Apr 2006, 19:36 (Ref:1596492)

i think toyota, should stay.
they could be in a worse sitution are doing alright so far in this season.

Knowlesy · 27 Apr 2006, 23:38 (Ref:1596607)

And employing Ralf.

Marbot · 28 Apr 2006, 00:33 (Ref:1596624)

In Japan it is widely regarded that Honda is a racing organisation that just happens to build cars,whereas Toyota is a car manufacturer that just happens to go racing.Says it all for me.

Peter Nightingale · 28 Apr 2006, 01:20 (Ref:1596644)

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Originally Posted by martyn bott

In Japan it is widely regarded that Honda is a racing organisation that just happens to build cars,whereas Toyota is a car manufacturer that just happens to go racing.Says it all for me.

Exactly right ,you have hit the nail right on the head....

mac · 28 Apr 2006, 06:48 (Ref:1596707)

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Originally Posted by martyn bott

Honda is a racing organisation that just happens to build cars,whereas Toyota is a car manufacturer that just happens to go racing.

What a load of garbage.

On the topic at hand, I am led to believe that the next 12 months are particularly critical for Toyota F1. If things do not improve markedly in the next 12 months, they could well be saying "sayonara" to a full works team, in favour of an engine supply arrangement.

Marbot · 28 Apr 2006, 07:28 (Ref:1596730)

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Originally Posted by mac

If things do not improve markedly in the next 12 months, they could well be saying "sayonara" to a full works team, in favour of an engine supply arrangement.

All the hallmarks of a car manufacturer.

BootsOntheSide · 29 Apr 2006, 09:28 (Ref:1597400)

Hopefully they will at least make their decision in time for another team to take their place for 2008 - perhaps by buying their facilities. For all the money Toyota have thrown at the project, all the attempts they've made to get the ebst design ideas from other teams, and spend huge sums of money on staff from elsewhere, they have not shown any innovation or desire to succeeed in F1 - only to sell more cars through it. As their engine is generlaly the strongest component, supplying that to a team like Williams or Prodrive would probably be better for everybody - they are real racing people in it for the love.

mstar · 30 Apr 2006, 20:31 (Ref:1598304)

its understandable by the toyota board why all the money is going and evrry season we get "next year toyota will win a race then the championship" and sadly i think they are further now then ever. Don't forget thy tested for a full year before they got on the f1 grid!!! they was busy banging in laps in japan and europe.

It does not look great as Honda seem to be up there with Mclaren,ferrari and renault fighting for consistant podiums, and toyota have to rely on others misfortunes and (yet) not outright pace. I think the B spec car will have to be on the pace or we could see toyota becoming very dissapointed with there F1 investment.....

GeeRam · 1 May 2006, 22:47 (Ref:1599037)

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Originally Posted by BootsOntheSide

As their engine is generlaly the strongest component, supplying that to a team like Williams or Prodrive would probably be better for everybody - they are real racing people in it for the love.

Hmmm...Toyota engines for the Prodrive team....may not be too far off the mark

When General Motors sold it's stake a few months back, in Subaru, it was Toyota that bought it, and with Prodrive's connection to Subaru.........

Dutton · 30 Apr 2006, 21:57 (Ref:1598352)

From another perspective, it would avoid the spending war between Honda and Toyota.

Marbot · 1 May 2006, 00:16 (Ref:1598416)

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Originally Posted by Dutton

From another perspective, it would avoid the spending war between Honda and Toyota.

Indeed it would.

Meanwhile however,looking relatively smug,are that little known car manufacturer Nissan (partly owned by Renault don't yer know).Some of their technology is no doubt helping the blue and yellow cars with their lightning starts.

Peter Nightingale · 1 May 2006, 05:30 (Ref:1598505)

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Originally Posted by martyn bott

Indeed it would.

Meanwhile however,looking relatively smug,are that little known car manufacturer Nissan (partly owned by Renault don't yer know).Some of their technology is no doubt helping the blue and yellow cars with their lightning starts.

NISSAN electronics technology is used by RENAULT F1 for help with in their DEMON starts.. Renault now control Nissan worldwide...

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