la sarthe and the nordschleife

heldring · 4 Apr 2004, 16:13 (Ref:929864)

hello motor sport lovers,

we have to wait another two months for the two most famous turns of the clock in a year !
motor sport only knows two highlights : le mans and nurburgring !!
who the hell has come on the idean to organise two major 24 hour events in the same weekend ?
romantic times of formula are a long time ago, there were only two left.....
and the lovers of 24 hour racing can only visit one.....
is this not a bloody shame ? .....
you are on circuit de la sarthe, knowing that the porsches dive down in the fuchsrohre at the same time.......a true motor sport fan cannot handle this situation......
what to do about ? please, help a dutch petrol head in panick !!

ernst heldring, hilversum, the netherlands

**Aysedasi** · 4 Apr 2004, 18:00 (Ref:929970)

Easy - go to Le Mans......

(BTW, I've removed your email. Not necessary a great idea to include it in posts).

**PascaLM** · 4 Apr 2004, 18:42 (Ref:930008)

I think you can go to Nurburg this year and to Le Mans next year.

cybersdorf · 4 Apr 2004, 18:48 (Ref:930012)

Quote:

Originally posted by Aysedasi
Easy - go to Le Mans......

...unless you want to see a race.

I know where I'll be going.

**Adam43** · 4 Apr 2004, 20:49 (Ref:930164)

Well I'm doing both this year, although I do miss the race at the Nurburgring by a day or so...

Still it is a daft calendar that has them both at the same weekend!

kdr · 5 Apr 2004, 08:53 (Ref:930693)

isn't the nurburgring 24 hours primarily for touring type cars?

**Aysedasi** · 5 Apr 2004, 13:09 (Ref:931015)

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Originally posted by cybersdorf
...unless you want to see a race. I know where I'll be going.

I'll still be at Le Mans, race or no race.

The only place to be......

**Aysedasi** · 5 Apr 2004, 13:09 (Ref:931017)

Quote:

Originally posted by kdr
isn't the nurburgring 24 hours primarily for touring type cars?

Ah, a race for shoppers then.......

cybersdorf · 5 Apr 2004, 14:02 (Ref:931077)

You still don't know, do you.

www.24h-rennen.de
www.vln.de

Have a look.

kdr · 5 Apr 2004, 19:18 (Ref:931423)

last years entry list seems very mixed. vipers, porsches ok...but audi tt, bmw m3, toyota mr2, mini cooper? i leave that lot at the lights on my vespa every morning.

cybersdorf · 5 Apr 2004, 20:06 (Ref:931471)

You mean you can't take the Bentleys?

kdr · 5 Apr 2004, 21:05 (Ref:931551)

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Originally posted by cybersdorf
You mean you can't take the Bentleys?

is that in this years entry list?

i saw a toyota corolla in last years list....i drive one of those to the gym each night!

cybersdorf · 5 Apr 2004, 21:43 (Ref:931590)

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Originally posted by kdr
is that in this years entry list?

No, neither of them. But there are Audis in both. Only that at the Ring, it's not yet certain one of them will win.

Quote:

i saw a toyota corolla in last years list....

Not the Le Mans one I gather.

cybersdorf · 5 Apr 2004, 21:44 (Ref:931593)

btw, how many works teams at Le Mans this year?

Karl Kling · 5 Apr 2004, 21:51 (Ref:931604)

Lister, Courage and WR...

kdr · 5 Apr 2004, 22:09 (Ref:931618)

Quote:

Originally posted by cybersdorf
No, neither of them. But there are Audis in both. Only that at the Ring, it's not yet certain one of them will win.

i see...the audis at the ring could get beaten by the vauxhall vectra then?

cybersdorf · 5 Apr 2004, 22:19 (Ref:931626)

Better than nothing.

And the Porsches won't run away with the win in their class, either!

SALEEN S7R · 5 Apr 2004, 23:26 (Ref:931665)

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Originally posted by Karl Kling
Lister, Courage and WR...

Dont forget Corvette. And Porsche (AJR and Freisinger ARE works teams).

Fab · 6 Apr 2004, 05:22 (Ref:931822)

I just noticed yesterday that both of the races were the same week-end in 1990 : Hans Stuck made the trip and ran both...

cybersdorf · 6 Apr 2004, 08:12 (Ref:931936)

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Originally posted by Fab
I just noticed yesterday that both of the races were the same week-end in 1990 : Hans Stuck made the trip and ran both...

Other drivers have done this in the past, too (Klaus Ludwig, Bernd Schneider I believe). Clashing dates have unfortunately become the rule rather than the exception in recent years.

cybersdorf · 6 Apr 2004, 08:25 (Ref:931949)

Quote:

Originally posted by SALEEN S7R
Dont forget Corvette. And Porsche (AJR and Freisinger ARE works teams).

Aha, so we know the winners in three classes! (well, no - four. Have a look at the Courage C65 and you know what will win LMP2.)

Fab · 6 Apr 2004, 08:38 (Ref:931957)

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Originally posted by cybersdorf
Aha, so we know the winners in three classes! (well, no - four. Have a look at the Courage C65 and you know what will win LMP2.)

Quote:

Originally posted by heldring
what to do about ?

For the suspense, go to the Nürbürg I'm afraid !

Fab · 6 Apr 2004, 08:40 (Ref:931959)

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Originally posted by cybersdorf
Clashing dates have unfortunately become the rule rather than the exception in recent years.

Do we know any motivation in that non-communication ?

cybersdorf · 6 Apr 2004, 08:46 (Ref:931966)

A bank holiday on the seconf Friday of June. One less day the volunteers have to take off. So they try and schedule the race around this "long weekend" whenever they can. It's as easy as that.

wolfi_555 · 6 Apr 2004, 09:21 (Ref:932007)

In the VLN you find a lot of classes. Between touringcars as Suzuki Swift GT�* (class V1) to BMW M3 with 500 HP, GT cars from Porsche 964/993/996 GT3 Cup/RSR/Turbo to Dodge Viper. V8star, DTM cars from Opel and Audi. Normally more than 150 cars. By the 24h race max. 220 cars on track. On 24h race 2003: 194.000 visitors, normally on a VLN race: 10-20.000 visitors.

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