[Official] Dutch Grand Prix 2024

[Born Racer]

This looks like being the first time that someone can stop Max Verstappen at home.

We have a fascinating championship situation that reminds me a bit of 2009, where the leader is progressively chased down and sees the points lead reduce. Unlike in 2009, though, will he fail to hold on? Also unlike 2009, there are more drivers in contention for the win, 'taking points off each other', which may help Verstappen to cling on.

[Tourer]

Weather looks dodgy as hell on both Friday & Saturday, less so on Sunday (dry race forecast at this stage). 80kmh wind gusts forecast for Friday could really have a big impact.

Tricky for the teams and drivers but can make it even betterer entertainment for us in our lounge rooms - looking forward to it.

[S griffin]

With a bit of a cliff hanger going into the summer break, let's see how the form book will be. Can RBR fight back? Or are McLaren and Merc now the team's to beat for the rest of the season? Do Ferrari still have a chance? Can't wait

[ChrisA]

Mixed track conditions in FP1. Norris top with Vestappen and Hamilton behind.

[ChrisA]

FP2. Russell, Piastri, Hamilton, Norris, Vestappen.

[bjohnsonsmith]

I'm looking forward to this after the summer break, though it doesn't seem to be very summery.

Can RBR and Super Max turn this around, especially as this is his home GP? The last win was 2 months ago in Spain.

[GTRMagic]

The second Williams is stuffed…

[Greem]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

The second Williams is stuffed…

Aye. A mate of mine who works for them said elsewhere "that's one of the two new sets of bodywork wrecked".

It's going to be a long weekend for the mechanics, and no doubt the composites folks back at Grove. The autoclaves will be busy tonight!

[S griffin]

Gasly ends up top in FP3. Nasty shunt for Logan, glad he's ok. Looks like a long weekend for the Williams mechanics

[bjohnsonsmith]

Hamilton fails to get into Q3.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Norris on pole. That was an outstanding lap.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Hamilton gets a 3 place grid penalty for impeding Perez, though at the time I don't see what else he could have done, maybe slowed down a little more?


https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/h...h-gp/10647435/


Albon is DSQd from qualifying because the car's floor was too wide and starts from the back of the grid.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/a...ment/10647444/

[Sodemo]

I don’t understand the double Dutch about Albion’s DQ. The FIA said the floor was within tolerances but their measuring kit also said it was outside of the allowed dimensions?

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by Sodemo

I don’t understand the double Dutch about Albion’s DQ. The FIA said the floor was within tolerances but their measuring kit also said it was outside of the allowed dimensions?

Is it possible that you have misunderstood the FIA's bulletin? It states that the measurements fall outside the FIA's regulatory volume; however, the team claimed that their own measurements on their own equipment were that it fell inside the volume, but that they didn't dispute the FIA's findings.

The Stewards did note that the FIA's system, not the team's, was the relevant system one in this matter.

[GTRMagic]

Mr Sargent has someone starting below him in the grid today.
Who would have thought..

[E.B]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Mr Sargent has someone starting below him in the grid today.
Who would have thought..

Indeed.... it is odd that someone who took absolutely no part in qualifying actually qualified better than his teamate who reached Q3.....

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by E.B

Indeed.... it is odd that someone who took absolutely no part in qualifying actually qualified better than his teamate who reached Q3.....

Hmmm one would've thought they should be the other way round but it must be down to the way the regs are written?

Meanwhile Norris has given himself a great opportunity with that pole lap.
Let's see if he's worked on improving his starting procedure.

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by chunterer

Hmmm one would've thought they should be the other way round but it must be down to the way the regs are written?

I would assume that it works the same way as it does when drivers achieve identical times; the driver that did it first has the higher grid slot. In this case, the Stewards approved Sargent starting the race, because his times were outside 107%, before they approved the starting, because of the theoretical "no times set", therefore outside of 107%, due to the disqualification of Albon.

[E.B]

Originally Posted by Mike Harte

I would assume that it works the same way as it does when drivers achieve identical times; the driver that did it first has the higher grid slot. In this case, the Stewards approved Sargent starting the race, because his times were outside 107%, before they approved the starting, because of the theoretical "no times set", therefore outside of 107%, due to the disqualification of Albon.

Yes, I guess ultimately Albon's DSQ was some 2-3 hours after qualy had actually finished, by the time the Stewards had met with Williams to discuss their findings formally. Logan had already been formally approved to race, albeit from the rear of the classified runners. Albon being actually DSQ'd was not classified I guess, and anyway the timing put him last in the queue.

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by E.B

Indeed.... it is odd that someone who took absolutely no part in qualifying actually qualified better than his teamate who reached Q3.....

I think the perspective is that if you were DSQ from qualifying... You in fact did NOT make it to Q3. I think the starting order for them made perfect sense.

Originally Posted by P38 in workshop

Watching the start I had to wonder if the McLaren clutch system needs revision.Might be bite point or non linear controls,but for both to perform in the same way points to the car,rather than the drivers.

I also wonder if this is an issue with the car (at least this race). It seemed like the reaction times for both McLaren's seemed good, but just didn't get going off the line quick enough. Regardless of whatever might be happening with the car, Lando does need to work to dump the history of not taking full advantage of his pole positions.

Overall, fantastic race for Lando. For me at least, it seems the McLaren has a tendency to wake up after a few laps. My impression is that Lando does a great job of tire management as well. It was crazy that he was still putting in quick laps with such a strong lead. He just motored away from Max. You can say Max was having issues, but then again, he seemed to hold onto second decently well. So kudos to Lando.

Both Sauber cars were two laps down at the finish. Ouch! While we can say that Audi will not be here until 2026, is that really true? At this point Audi fully owns the team and is pulling the strings. And recent senior leadership shakeups were said to be down to Audi not happy with the progress of the team. Audi can't be happy.

Puzzling strategy for Yuki at VCARB. They ran S, M, H and effectively tanked his good qualifying position. Not sure what they were thinking. I think Daniel was on a more realistic strategy.

Hopefully Haas is able to get their cars to Monza OK. It seems like they are saying the check is "in the mail" for Uralkali. Uralkali is gonna check their account status as late as possible Monday to make things hard for Haas. Maybe Gene should have made the payment earlier given he knew he had to do so.

Richard

[Greem]

Good race so far. I especially liked the 4 wide through the final corner bit!

[bjohnsonsmith]

Congrats to Lando Norris, well deserved.

[ChrisA]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Congrats to Lando Norris, well deserved.

Totally agree. Just has to sort his starts. Love the gyrocam, gives a different perspective to the whole race and circuit, especially at Zandvoort.

[Greem]

LANDOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[Tourer]

Brilliant result for the orange (Papaya) team winning in front of the big orange crowd & getting heaps of applause all the way around the final lap.

Great result for McLaren and Lando - simply brilliant.