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9 Jun 2008, 21:45 (Ref:2224200)
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Could BMW win a championship in 2008?
I know I have mentally pigeonholed them into 'best of the rest' after the red and silver cars, with the occassional upset like Sunday. They have been threatening to steal a win for some time now, and unlike last year in 2008 I expected it to happen rather than just hope.
What is hard to ignore though, Kubrica is leading the drivers championship. The win helped for sure, but he has been rattling the cage for some time now. I still dont believe the BMW is the car to have yet, but this 1-2 will give them a huge boost, something that cant explained on paper. They have broken through the glass ceiling and I think starting next race, they will be 1% faster on that alone. Can they win either championship? Is it an outside chance, or are they serious contenders? |
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9 Jun 2008, 21:50 (Ref:2224208)
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Tbh, no, not this year, but maybe in 2009 ??
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9 Jun 2008, 21:52 (Ref:2224212)
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No chance. Apart from the fact that Ferrari are probably too strong, Heidfeld seems to have hit the snooze button for the year. He also seemed most disillusioned after the Canadian race, so I wonder about his motivation now.
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9 Jun 2008, 22:23 (Ref:2224241)
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9 Jun 2008, 22:49 (Ref:2224263)
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Yeah I would agree. I think the constructors will be:
1) Ferrari 2) BMW 3) Mclaren Next year though, at this rate, BMW could well do it. Depends on how well they go with the new aero regs. They certainly seem to be the team with the most areo bolt ons that will be banned next year, will that affect them? Either way, they're doing really well and it's great to have a 3rd team capable of winning races again! |
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9 Jun 2008, 22:58 (Ref:2224272)
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i think bmw will need a season or two to make a few minor adjustments. they seem to be doing what renault done from 2003 to 2006 imho
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10 Jun 2008, 14:27 (Ref:2224845)
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10 Jun 2008, 14:38 (Ref:2224863)
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To answer my own question (now that i was bothered to go find out myself) he's retired once,had two fourths,a third,two seconds and the win. You can't really argue with that....
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10 Jun 2008, 14:45 (Ref:2224876)
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10 Jun 2008, 00:46 (Ref:2224315)
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Nope. Before the SC Kimi was pretty much eating into Kubica's lead at 0.5 secs per lap. They don't have the raw pace. Kimi and Lewis would have beaten the Beemers by 10-15 secs probably more.
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10 Jun 2008, 01:20 (Ref:2224327)
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Not this year, but they are coming...
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10 Jun 2008, 01:37 (Ref:2224334)
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Not in 2008, no.
They've made great progress, and have acheived their target for the year by chalking up a win, but they don't have the pace to beat McLaren and Ferrari over the course of a full season. |
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10 Jun 2008, 02:01 (Ref:2224341)
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At the start of the year they were saying 2009 is their year...
Two races ago they were saying a win wasn't on, they didn't have enough pace... Now they're saying we don't have a hope in the championship, we're not quick enough... I like that. BMW-Sauber have taken the low road. They creep up like a stealth fighter and before you know it they have taken the prize without showing up on the radar.... Yes they could take a title this year. Not on raw pace but if the others keep having the swings and sways in their performance BMW will capitalise on them. |
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10 Jun 2008, 04:37 (Ref:2224375)
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No they can't. Too much competition.
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10 Jun 2008, 04:48 (Ref:2224376)
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i don't think so but if Ferrari and McLaren keep stuffing up anything is possible but i think it's unlikely.
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10 Jun 2008, 06:33 (Ref:2224407)
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If Ferrari/McLaren can manage to get both of their cars across the finish line for the rest of the season, there's no chance for BMW. However, if the start of the season is any indication, there will still be a number of races left where BMW can capitalize on the others' mistakes/incidents. But even so, they can only hope to come in second in the constructors' championship. For the drivers' championship, I don't think BMW can do better than 4th this year.
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As far as the Constructors' Championship goes, no one is going to beat Ferrari this year. Their driver lineup is just too strong for another team to beat them.
However, the Drivers' Championship is a different story. While Kimi and Felipe will both be racking up points for the Scuderia, they will be taking points away from each other. Lewis is still in the thick of things, obviously. But Robert has four points on Hamilton and Massa, and seven on Raikkonen. If Kubica has the cool and BMW has the reliability to continue what they have done to give him the points lead so far, and have the good fortune to pick up another win during the European season, then he can be a legitimate title contender once the last four fly-away races come around. And as the final rounds last year proved, anything can happen when the Grand Prix circus leaves the continent with the championship still in doubt. |
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I think I'll bookmark this thread and come back when the season's over.
While I don't expect BMW to win the driver's championship, it could very well happen. They might not have the quickest car, but they are certainly among the best teams. Well-prepared, reliable, nimble strategizing and spotless execution all add up to the strong challenge they present. What I do expect though is at least 2nd in constructor's championship. |
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I think this is definately a "watch this space" thread...
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10 Jun 2008, 08:54 (Ref:2224535)
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I don't think they'll win a title this year.
They've done an excellet job till now, but the best results have arrived in particolar races in which their opponents have screwed it up the most they could do. My prediction is that with more "normal races" coming along, Kimi will get back to win, Lewis will no more bump him in the pitlane, Ferrari will get bored of screwing pitstops, and Kova will no more stall on the grid. Furthermore, as BMW are humans too, they'll make some mistakes as well, sooner or later. |
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10 Jun 2008, 10:31 (Ref:2224636)
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I don't think they have the outright pace to beat Ferrari and McLaren - on paper, they should be 3rd behind those two teams. But what they are doing is proving to be much more consistent than the other two, which is why they're 2nd in one championship and leading the other.
Kubica, in particular, is really impressive this year - over the season so far, I think he's driven better than anybody else. He's been in the points at every race bar Australia (when he was taken out through no fault of his own), and I can't actually recall him making any mistakes during a race, unlike Hamilton (Bahrain, Canada), Massa (Australia, Malaysia, Monaco to a lesser extent) and Raikkonen (Australia, Monaco). If he can keep up his current form while his rivals scrap around him, I wouldn't be totally surprised to see him in with a shot at the title with two or three races still to go. |
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