[Official] Austrian Grand Prix 2024

[Born Racer]

It's going to be a busy weekend, but maybe not for Race Control (it possibly will still).

[ChrisA]

I see we're back to last minute qualifying. Less than 3 minutes to go in the final run, they all come out at once. This used to happen years ago and I thought the FIA and the teams had addressed this. People pay over the top to watch F1 cars on track, and finish up being short changed. Ridiculous.

[Tourer]

There's been plenty of it (last minute Q runs) in recent times but more prevalent for sprint qualifying, because they have less tyres available.

[Aysedasi]

Still Max got pole with the slowest car on the grid.....

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

Still Max got pole with the slowest car on the grid.....

Lol!

At one point on Friday I thought Max or RB might consider protesting the new gravel if they were behind their main rivals!

[bjohnsonsmith]

I see Super Max won the sprint race, which I completely missed but then I'm not a fan of them. However, I am looking forward to qualifying later on today, for Sunday's Grand Prix race, as well as the race itself. I'm interested to see how the changes to the track will effect track limits.

[bjohnsonsmith]

I don't know what's happened to Aston Martin. Stroll out in Q1 though I'm not that surprised, but Alonso out in Q2.

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

I don't know what's happened to Aston Martin. Stroll out in Q1 though I'm not that surprised, but Alonso out in Q2.

Hasn't Alonso expressed his frustration about the ongoing development of the car; it would appear that the other teams have made improvements whilst the Aston Martins have pretty well stood still.

[greentrumpet]

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/...no-green-paint Well I wouldn't want to upset Lance aka Lou Ferrigno.

[broadrun96]

Imagine how much further ahead of everyone Max would be in the McLaren, think he would lap the field

He's throwing that car around like a toy and can tell he's still not happy with it

[bjohnsonsmith]

A bit of argy-bargy from the two Alpine drivers.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Verstappen's pitstop didn't quite go the way he would have liked and has lost time over Norris.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Wow both Norris and Verstappen make contact.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Great overtake by Piastri on Sainz.

VSC.

It's all happening!

[broadrun96]

Every time Norris starts to get my attention and enjoy his driving the same radio whinging completely ruins it. The constant he moved nonsense meant I turned it off at lap 61, couldn't handle more. Lando, you can't be on the inside AND make the corner when you're going straight off

[ScotsBrutesFan]

Originally Posted by broadrun96

Every time Norris starts to get my attention and enjoy his driving the same radio whinging completely ruins it. The constant he moved nonsense meant I turned it off at lap 61, couldn't handle more. Lando, you can't be on the inside AND make the corner when you're going straight off

Don’t know if it went out on the sky feed around the world, but Ant Davidson on the Skypad, just dissected the 3 instances and it’s very clear Max was moving in the breaking zone.

Put under real pressure and the original Max 1.0 returns

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by ScotsBrutesFan

Don’t know if it went out on the sky feed around the world, but Ant Davidson on the Skypad, just dissected the 3 instances and it’s very clear Max was moving in the breaking zone.

Put under real pressure and the original Max 1.0 returns

I watched the race but couldn't get the commentary from Sky, so I had to listen to BBC Radio 5 Live and one of the commentators said the same thing about Max.

[Dutch chap]

Originally Posted by ScotsBrutesFan

Don’t know if it went out on the sky feed around the world, but Ant Davidson on the Skypad, just dissected the 3 instances and it’s very clear Max was moving in the breaking zone.

Put under real pressure and the original Max 1.0 returns

FIA clarified the so called Verstappen rule by stating it is allowed in 2017, so what is the Ant talking about?: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fi...19118/5019118/

It was a great fight and I'm confident they both enjoyed it. Not the outcome of course...

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by Dutch chap

FIA clarified the so called Verstappen rule by stating it is allowed in 2017, so what is the Ant talking about?: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fi...19118/5019118/

It was a great fight and I'm confident they both enjoyed it. Not the outcome of course...

The clarification was that just weaving was no longer an act that would be reported; however, it also made clear that weaving under braking or in the braking zone that was considered potentially dangerous or similar would continue to be reported with a view to being penalised.

Regardless of that, Verstappen was penalised for being responsible for causing a collision, not weaving per se.

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by Dutch chap

FIA clarified the so called Verstappen rule by stating it is allowed in 2017, so what is the Ant talking about?: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fi...19118/5019118/

It was a great fight and I'm confident they both enjoyed it. Not the outcome of course...

That was a long time ago - the drivers discuss and agree on what is OK and what is not with the race director and stewards at drivers briefings. They'll effectively have a code of conduct in place on what is acceptable driver etiquette.

Max even kind of referenced himself by saying that when he moved he wasn't (yet) braking so those moves are allowed.

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by Tourer

That was a long time ago - the drivers discuss and agree on what is OK and what is not with the race director and stewards at drivers briefings. They'll effectively have a code of conduct in place on what is acceptable driver etiquette.

Max even kind of referenced himself by saying that when he moved he wasn't (yet) braking so those moves are allowed.

I believe that they also reference braking zone, I suppose just in case a driver decides to use another competitor's car to help him slow down instead of using his brakes.

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by Tourer

That was a long time ago - the drivers discuss and agree on what is OK and what is not with the race director and stewards at drivers briefings. They'll effectively have a code of conduct in place on what is acceptable driver etiquette.

Max even kind of referenced himself by saying that when he moved he wasn't (yet) braking so those moves are allowed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNFeqUoyPC4

You can say he moved before he was braking however that's not quite the case. You can say he didn't turn the steering wheel, but he certainly drove into the car beside him in the braking zone by coming across the track. . He moves right, and then left - which is not allowed. He then makes contact with a car in the braking zone (a car which did not change direction), and he leaves less than a cars width for the car alongside. He then runs a competitor off the road on the next straight. Additionally, when Lando took a place off the road he gave it back. When Max used the run off to keep the position, he did not.

How many rules violations can you fit in just over 1 corner?

Drivers in lower formulas have recieved race bans for driving like this. It's time to start holding F1 drivers to the same standard we'd hold a Formula 3 driver to.

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by ScotsBrutesFan

Put under real pressure and the original Max 1.0 returns

Of course! It's Max, he drives like Michael Schumacher (or worse?).

[Lancsbreaker]

Originally Posted by ScotsBrutesFan

Don’t know if it went out on the sky feed around the world, but Ant Davidson on the Skypad, just dissected the 3 instances and it’s very clear Max was moving in the breaking zone.

Put under real pressure and the original Max 1.0 returns

I thought it was a pretty comprehensive analysis of how Max was pushing past the limits......and of course the stewards agreed - although the penalty was effectively meaningless.

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by Lancsbreaker

I thought it was a pretty comprehensive analysis of how Max was pushing past the limits......and of course the stewards agreed - although the penalty was effectively meaningless.

Stewards etc. would have access to data showing braking and steering input, though perhaps not r/t, so you’d think pretty clear. I thought the penalty was for pushing another car off track though? Nothing to do with braking/turning.

Red Bull dropped the ball not telling Max that Lando had an automatic penalty coming.

I also wonder if there might be some carryover as I’m not sure if McLaren took the 5 secs when he pitted. Max’s penalty was meaningless but he served it.