Michael who?

F1Pete · 16 Apr 2007, 13:50 (Ref:1892987)

Lots of people were wondering what F1 would be like without MS. JV said no one will remember him.

With the arrival of Lewis, there has been no mention of whatshisname?

LH is quite the guy all around.

Alonso did say yesterday anyone is a championship contender with a good car. LH is a contender.

Inigo Montoya · 16 Apr 2007, 14:20 (Ref:1893011)

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Originally Posted by F1Pete

Lots of people were wondering what F1 would be like without MS. JV said no one will remember him.

With the arrival of Lewis, there has been no mention of whatshisname?

LH is quite the guy all around.

Alonso did say yesterday anyone is a championship contender with a good car. LH is a contender.

I am pretty sure Mr. 7 times WDC will be remembered for quite some time. Though I like Hamilton, to compare him to Michael after 4 races (none of which he has won) is a bit of a stretch.

MrTTraces · 16 Apr 2007, 14:29 (Ref:1893021)

Micheal has been mentioned a few times on the commentry and in the pre/after race analysis on ITV.

I doubt a 7 times world champion will 'suddenly' be forgotten. Thats just crazy!

You wait till some of the European races and he's walking about on the grid as a VIP, he'll get loads of coverage then.

**touringlegend** · 16 Apr 2007, 14:45 (Ref:1893037)

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Originally Posted by MrTTraces

You wait till some of the European races and he's walking about on the grid as a VIP, he'll get loads of coverage then.

I anticipate there being a thread on here complaining on the coverage ITV will give him whenever he turns up, rumoured to be at the Nurburgring !

RT · 16 Apr 2007, 14:39 (Ref:1893033)

Schumi has been mentioned several times. I would agree that since the accomplishment of winning 7 WDC's is so far above being in the podium three times that there's no need to mention Schumi. I would also add that the "what's his name" title most aptly belongs to JV nowadays.....
As an afterthought, I'll add also that JV once was the brightest young promise on the grid. LH has enormous potential. He needs to avoid the hype...

**Adam43** · 16 Apr 2007, 14:47 (Ref:1893041)

Schumacher has been mentioned loads.
And Lewis has several other (merged) threads.
and RT's post made me choke.

Is this a Schumacher thread? In which case it should be rather short.
A Lewis thread? In which case a merge would be good.
or a Villeneuve thread? In which case a close for old times sake.

climb · 16 Apr 2007, 14:56 (Ref:1893049)

I'd say a couple of things:
1) MS has won way more than anyone else in F1 history, thus no newcomer, albeit brilliant, talented, and effective, can outshine him.

2)MS' retirement has made F1 way more exciting, with a good number of youngsters (average age for the 4 best spots: 25.5 yrs) fighting for the WDC

ralf fan · 16 Apr 2007, 14:58 (Ref:1893052)

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Originally Posted by F1Pete

Lots of people were wondering what F1 would be like without MS.
there has been no mention of whatshisname?

didn't you just mention him?

**Bononi** · 16 Apr 2007, 15:05 (Ref:1893058)

Did anyone forget Senna ? Did anyone forget Gilles ?

Both of them look pale close to TGF records.

Let's be honest, no one will remember JV, that1s for sure.

Snrub · 16 Apr 2007, 15:08 (Ref:1893062)

I think some people were under the impression that F1 just wouldn't be the same without MS. The reality is that F1 is doing fine and I don't think the fans really miss him. ie. people don't turn on F1 and feel depressed because there's no MS. There are few mentions or comparisons of MS by the media.

That said I have a grudging respect for MS and I think many feel the same way. It would be interesting if something were to cause Ferrari to need a substitute. That said, no one seems to be pinning for such a scenerio. No one is saying "MS could show those Mclarens a thing or two."

There seems to be more fondness for the likes of Mansell and Gilles Vileneuve than MS. In that way, I think JV had a bit of a point.

climb · 16 Apr 2007, 15:16 (Ref:1893075)

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Originally Posted by Snrub

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There seems to be more fondness for the likes of Mansell and Gilles Vileneuve than MS. In that way, I think JV had a bit of a point.

Gilles, Ayrton, Ronnie ... champs died in race accidents are obviously missed more than the retired ones, its (right and) down to human nature

About Mansell it's certainly true in England, but if you pose the question in Germany or in Italy, certainly not.

amier · 17 Apr 2007, 20:09 (Ref:1894188)

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Originally Posted by climb

Gilles, Ayrton, Ronnie ... champs died in race accidents are obviously missed more than the retired ones, its (right and) down to human nature

About Mansell it's certainly true in England, but if you pose the question in Germany or in Italy, certainly not.

Mansell was known as ill leone in italy, so im sure they still remember him!

I wonder how lewis would fare in a not so good mclaren ie a 2006 model, driving one of the best cars is certainly helping him.

Super Hans · 17 Apr 2007, 21:43 (Ref:1894275)

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Originally Posted by amier

I wonder how lewis would fare in a not so good mclaren ie a 2006 model, driving one of the best cars is certainly helping him.

If (insert driver name) was in a not-so-good car, he'd probably be driving equally well, but finishing in a not-so-good position.

climb · 18 Apr 2007, 14:05 (Ref:1894730)

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Originally Posted by amier

Mansell was known as ill leone in italy, so im sure they still remember him!
...

yes, of course, but you can't certainly compare his popularity in Italy with MS's or even Alesi's

Inigo Montoya · 16 Apr 2007, 15:22 (Ref:1893083)

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Originally Posted by Snrub

I think some people were under the impression that F1 just wouldn't be the same without MS. The reality is that F1 is doing fine and I don't think the fans really miss him. ie. people don't turn on F1 and feel depressed because there's no MS. .

Ok, I'll admit it, I miss Schummi. I miss his competativeness, his desire to win, and his incredible ability to put in searing laptimes when he needed them. Nobody this year has come close to his abilities, in my opinion.

Plus, the lack of a "villian" makes for a less interesting story. (albeit an easier job of being a moderator

)..

Alan Raine · 16 Apr 2007, 16:12 (Ref:1893120)

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Originally Posted by Inigo Montoya

Plus, the lack of a "villian" makes for a less interesting story. (albeit an easier job of being a moderator

)..

Who's going to be the next villian (Sato not included). Kimis attitude isn't endering him to too many at the moment.

rcarr · 18 Apr 2007, 23:51 (Ref:1895160)

Maybe Alonso will be the next villan of F1. He looked like he was beginning to crack when they interviewed him after the race on sunday, when (was it TK or LG?) mentioned Lewis Hamilton's name and 2nd place.

beau1 · 20 Apr 2007, 00:24 (Ref:1895915)

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Originally Posted by Inigo Montoya

Ok, I'll admit it, I miss Schummi. I miss his competativeness, his desire to win, and his incredible ability to put in searing laptimes when he needed them. Nobody this year has come close to his abilities, in my opinion.

I agree, i miss his will to win to and his incredible and sometimes almost impossible laptimes. I was thinking about the same last race.

The one thing i don't get with this whole hamilton thing is that he has a talent, there's no denying that but c'mon whats he done? In every race so far he's finished more or less in the same position he was on coming out of the first corner, he has'nt (as far as i know) overtaken anyone on track or after a pitstop okey, there's no denying that he's good at holding his position and being good at starts but the rest? He's just doing what he's meant to do, to be quite honest if he finished lower than 6th in the car he is in then we would all be calling it a disgrace.

Anyways, on topic ish, no Schu is not "forgotton" he's just a bit outdone british bias.

We have'nt forgotton about him have we? Look we have a 3 page topic on him.

F1Pete · 16 Apr 2007, 18:04 (Ref:1893224)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snrub

I think some people were under the impression that F1 just wouldn't be the same without MS. The reality is that F1 is doing fine and I don't think the fans really miss him. ie. people don't turn on F1 and feel depressed because there's no MS. There are few mentions or comparisons of MS by the media.

That said I have a grudging respect for MS and I think many feel the same way. It would be interesting if something were to cause Ferrari to need a substitute. That said, no one seems to be pinning for such a scenerio. No one is saying "MS could show those Mclarens a thing or two."

There seems to be more fondness for the likes of Mansell and Gilles Vileneuve than MS. In that way, I think JV had a bit of a point.

This is exactly how I feel. I am not saying I forget he is 7 time champion blah blah blah....

With the stellar entrance of LH and his record breaking debut, MS's absence is clouded with LH's presence. That is my line of thinking...

Kimi's presence in the absence of MS...well that is another story yet to unfold.

**Adam43** · 16 Apr 2007, 18:17 (Ref:1893239)

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Originally Posted by F1Pete

With the stellar entrance of LH and his record breaking debut, MS's absence is clouded with LH's presence. That is my line of thinking...

I don't see the connection. The two things are independent and separate.

An odd thought process.

climb · 16 Apr 2007, 15:10 (Ref:1893066)

well dear Bon , I wouldn't be that sure.. after all, it happens quite regularly to see standings like:

-All time overrated drivers
-Most paid drivers compared to result
-First drivers more often beaten by teammates
...
Shall we ever forget JV? Doubt so ... eh eh eh

**Bononi** · 16 Apr 2007, 15:13 (Ref:1893069)

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Originally Posted by Snrub

There seems to be more fondness for the likes of Mansell and Gilles Vileneuve than MS. In that way, I think JV had a bit of a point.

I would agree with you if there's no "history" behind JV declarations, which is not the case. I'm not judging anyone but JV and other past drivers would do more good to support F1 rather than bringing back old stuff.

Oh, and I'm sorry but most of this statements are taken of out of the context, which looks like bitter and harsh... so maybe it's not that bad !

**Bononi** · 16 Apr 2007, 16:13 (Ref:1893122)

The equation is "win at all times"="evil guy"... Who might be then ?

Knowlesy · 16 Apr 2007, 16:24 (Ref:1893130)

I doubt anyone will forget MS totally, for whatever reason you care to name!

But do I miss him? Not even remotely. It's a new era, Michael is in the past, bye bye. I expected to find it odd without him, but I honestly haven't thought about him at all, not once.

We have the man who dethroned him in comprehensive fashion still sitting on the grid, we have a truly great benchmark for the others. What is there to miss?

Spritle · 16 Apr 2007, 16:25 (Ref:1893133)

Interestingly enough; Lewis Hamilton remembers MS and mentioned him.

From F1 Live:

Lewis Hamilton does not hesitate for long when he is asked to nominate someone who inspired him.

The McLaren rookie said seven time world champion Michael Schumacher 'always gave 100 per cent.'

"I met Michael last year," Hamilton told the newspaper Bild am Sonntag in Bahrain, "and he said something to me that I will never forget.

"I was walking in the paddock in Turkey and he stopped me and said, 'Fantastic race. What you did today was outstanding'."

Schumacher, now 38 and still an 'advisor' for the Ferrari team, was referring to Hamilton's inspirational drive through the field in GP2.

Asked if the German is still a role model, Hamilton answered: "Absolutely.

And not just as a driver."

"He didn't have to say that to me. Other drivers achieved far less than he did but are much more arrogant.

"His ambition and dedication impressed me; before his last ever race he was still testing. He always gave 100 per cent, right up to the last second."

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