Boring Barcelona

daniel1985 · 15 May 2006, 12:38 (Ref:1610503)

Does anything entertaining ever happen at this race track.
The teams are so familar with the track and there is never any overtaking at Barcelona.
I think the Spanish GP should be changed to Jerez or Valencia.
or
Change turn 1 at the end of the very long pit straight into a hairpin somehow. Surely this would allow overtaking on this very boring circuit.

pdman · 15 May 2006, 13:36 (Ref:1610563)

I thought the race was better than Nuremberg....
Ralf Schum... attempting that move on his team mate was the best laugh I've had in ages....

That said,
Imola, Barcelona and Monoco should all be scrapped.
Monoco is just an excuse for the extremley rich to show off and they have 22 drivers to entertain them by going round and round in procession whilst they smoke cigars, drink champeigne and eat caviar.....

Not that I'm jealous or anything ;-)

2112 · 19 May 2006, 03:11 (Ref:1613913)

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Originally Posted by pdman

That said,
Imola, Barcelona and Monoco should all be scrapped.
Monoco is just an excuse for the extremley rich to show off and they have 22 drivers to entertain them by going round and round in procession whilst they smoke cigars, drink champeigne and eat caviar.....

Not that I'm jealous or anything ;-)

I also find humour in any post that suggests Monaco should be scrapped

**Bononi** · 15 May 2006, 13:49 (Ref:1610585)

This is being discussed here : http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=83051

But I remember that Barcelona had very exciting races in the past...

pdman · 15 May 2006, 14:42 (Ref:1610647)

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Originally Posted by Bononi

But I remember that Barcelona had very exciting races in the past...

You're either very old, Spanish or confusing F1 with Motor bike racing ....

**Bononi** · 16 May 2006, 13:24 (Ref:1611517)

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Originally Posted by pdman

You're either :

very old,

It depends what do you think of "very old". For my 12 year old daughter, a guy with 25 years old is "very old".
But I don't want to make you use too much your brain, so I've been following F1 for 35 years, if it means anything...

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Originally Posted by pdman

Spanish

I'm not, but for the good of the forum, I will not take this as an offense towards the spanish members of the forum. But I remember you that most teams in F1 take it like a second (if not first) home, so I guess they have a point.

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Originally Posted by pdman

or confusing F1 with Motor bike racing ....

Maybe you are confusing this forum with something else...

But you forgot the main reason:

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Originally Posted by pdman (with a little help)

Or maybe you enjoy watching F1, unlike some members that come here only to whine about it.

Thanks.

luke · 15 May 2006, 13:53 (Ref:1610592)

It was but I was still locked into the MS / Alonso battle. It may **** off the teams but why not get Tilke to re design the circuit and make it more exciting a layout and why not build more grandstands whilst he's at it?

**Bononi** · 15 May 2006, 13:58 (Ref:1610600)

luke, you have a talent to bring on the worst in the threads...

karimbo · 19 May 2006, 01:54 (Ref:1613893)

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Originally Posted by Bononi

luke, you have a talent to bring on the worst in the threads...

Luke Honesty is the best policy !!!

What "happened" in Spain:

1) Ralf bends his front wing against Jarno back wheel.
2) Montoya spins out because of faltering traction control.
3) Schuey overtakes Fisi... in the pits.

Has anyone taped the race ? Please send me a copy of it: I'm out of sleeping pills...

luke · 15 May 2006, 14:44 (Ref:1610650)

BootsOntheSide · 15 May 2006, 15:49 (Ref:1610702)

Hasn't Tilke 'enhanced' enough tracks now?

The big cause for dull racing here is probably the serious need for aerodynamic grip. This makes overtaking harder, makes the grid more 'Noah's Ark' (the cars in 2 by 2 sequence on the starting grid), and tempts the teams into testing there so much, which in turn means that they all know the circuit inside out, so there are few driving errors or setup mistakes.

Dutton · 16 May 2006, 04:24 (Ref:1611157)

I agree the races are often rather dull at Barcelona, but not always, but personally I want things regarding it left exactly as they are (as well as the time of year it is held).

It serves as an excellent guage, late enough for teams/drivers to be settled but early enough for most of the season to be left, of the relative performances of the teams. It lets us know in a very clear fashion where everyone is at: personally, I find that a very handy thing.

Thus, I always look forward to Barcelona: but I certainly don't expect a cracking race.

Marbot · 16 May 2006, 08:05 (Ref:1611273)

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Originally Posted by Dutton

It lets us know in a very clear fashion where everyone is at: personally, I find that a very handy thing.

Everyone else is a second a lap behind Ferrari and Renault,we didn't really need a demonstration of that in Spain.Knowing where everyone is might provide a talking point for members of ten/tenths,but certainly not for casual fans on whom our continued viewing of this sport relies.

DeoValente · 16 May 2006, 14:49 (Ref:1611573)

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Originally Posted by martyn bott

Everyone else is a second a lap behind Ferrari and Renault,we didn't really need a demonstration of that in Spain.Knowing where everyone is might provide a talking point for members of ten/tenths,but certainly not for casual fans on whom our continued viewing of this sport relies.

You gotta admit it was only 2 races ago when people said Ferrari is not gonna win anything, shumi is getting too old etc. Funny how moods can swing in a 2 race timespan.

Marbot · 16 May 2006, 18:00 (Ref:1611694)

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Originally Posted by DeoValente

You gotta admit it was only 2 races ago when people said Ferrari is not gonna win anything, shumi is getting too old etc. Funny how moods can swing in a 2 race timespan.

Sure,Ferrari got off to a slow start because of reliability niggles,but the car was always fast.Unlike Mclaren and co.

pdman · 16 May 2006, 08:29 (Ref:1611304)

[quote=Dutton]
It serves as an excellent guage, late enough for teams/drivers to be settled but early enough for most of the season to be left, of the relative performances of the teams. It lets us know in a very clear fashion where everyone is at: personally, I find that a very handy thing.
quote]

So maybe KR is right and the games over give Renault the cup...

BootsOntheSide · 16 May 2006, 09:35 (Ref:1611362)

Barcelona didn't really prove or disprove anything, apart from emphasizing just how much McLaren are struggling.

marzF1rocks · 16 May 2006, 09:43 (Ref:1611372)

The Race Was Ok....
Could, have been worse, Monaco should be a good one

Silk Cut Jaguar · 16 May 2006, 09:45 (Ref:1611373)

I've always thought Imola is a good indication of what the pecking order is considering the cars generally line up two-by-two on the grid.

I know we all hate people tinkering with tracks, but Barcelona is hardly steeped in history and could really do with an extra large braking zone or two.

goodhorsehymn · 16 May 2006, 14:29 (Ref:1611563)

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Originally Posted by daniel1985

Change turn 1 at the end of the very long pit straight into a hairpin somehow. Surely this would allow overtaking on this very boring circuit.

Changing the final corner would be better - if it was slower they'd be a better chance of a good run out of it, and into the straight.

Sodemo · 16 May 2006, 15:25 (Ref:1611591)

The tracks aren't the problem, its the cars.

Change the cars, not the tracks.

ralf fan · 16 May 2006, 18:20 (Ref:1611710)

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Originally Posted by The Monster

The tracks aren't the problem, its the cars.

Change the cars, not the tracks.

Not really... it is a bit of both.... i mean tracks like SPA and Monaco produce great races even in the dullest of seasons because they have certain characteristics that others dont.

Sodemo · 17 May 2006, 18:07 (Ref:1612780)

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Originally Posted by ralf fan

Not really... it is a bit of both.... i mean tracks like SPA and Monaco produce great races even in the dullest of seasons because they have certain characteristics that others dont.

In my view you are correct to a point, however the F1 cars from 1991 and 1992 could pass quite easily down into turn 1.

Fast corners shouldn't mean an impossibility to follow and pass (as it is now), rather fast corners should be there to make it "tricky".

In its current guise the F1 car / track combination make passing at Barcelona nigh on impossible. However if you made F1 cars more like the cars of the early 90's then passing should be tough, but not impossible like it is today.

Paddockman · 16 May 2006, 19:29 (Ref:1611773)

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Originally Posted by The Monster

The tracks aren't the problem, its the cars.

Change the cars, not the tracks.

Yeah we don't need any more tracks ruined!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mark Webber · 17 May 2006, 00:34 (Ref:1612006)

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Originally Posted by The Monster

The tracks aren't the problem, its the cars.

Change the cars, not the tracks.

your rigt monster

but some tracks are just boring and Spain is on that list and high on it

but 2008 will bring the spilt rear wing car which I'm looking forward to and 07 bring back slicks

but it would be nice to see the cars at jerez its the same with france Gp magny cours is sooooooooooooooooo boring sometimes a change is good I would like to see counties spice it up bit and say every two / three year move the Gp to another track in said country this would be a good spanner in the works

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