ART: Filippi or Grosjean?

Sev · 27 Apr 2008, 15:31 (Ref:2188286)

To be honest, despite his lunacy, I think it was a good weekend for Grosjean. During that race, when he wanted, he was a good 1 second a lap faster than Kobayashi. All weekend he's been head and shoulders faster than everyone else.

What GP2 needs is for him to make more stupid mistakes like today, otherwise the championship might be a race for second. As opposed to Filippi, who was simply rubbish.

GroupOfOne · 27 Apr 2008, 16:35 (Ref:2188353)

Don't forget Filippi had tech problems in qualifying (gearbox I think, without checking) which left him near the back, and once you're down there in GP2 there's always potential for tangling with people. He did seem to have some good pace near the end and was catching up and overtaking people.

Second race he had an engine failure, which I don't think you can call him rubbish for having. Bearing in mind he was ahead of Valsecchi and behind Maldonado when it went.

Sev · 27 Apr 2008, 16:53 (Ref:2188372)

Well, except for the fact that in race 1 he and Grosjean started relatively near to each other (11th to 14th), yet Grosjean made over twice as many places (including passing people Filippi was stuck against). Now, true Grosjean is not exactly an average driver, but he is the only one Filippi has to compare himself to.

kipper · 29 Apr 2008, 19:54 (Ref:2190501)

In my opinion Grosjean is probably the quicker driver of the two, although how he performs at the likes of Istanbul and Valencia will be interesting to see. With regards to Filippi, I would have previously said that he would have been the better driver, however, I has expected him to have a good sized margin over Yoshimoto in GP2 Asia, which failed to be the case.

META4 · 29 Apr 2008, 20:33 (Ref:2190532)

I believe when we are talking about Filippi case, you cannot really mention The GP2 Asia , as his team (Meritus Racing) was unexperienced ... to not say anything else ...

Do not forget he won race 1 in Sentul , then has been disqualified due to team mistake

Filippi is definitly a good driver, i expect him to be a front runner in Istanbul and also be a Title contender

Jackman · 30 Apr 2008, 16:08 (Ref:2191190)

I love Yoshi more than most, but even I couldn't say that he beat Filippi in Asia: the Italian won one race (later disqualified because the team put Yoshi's tyres on his car), was nerfed out of a few more races, and was easily quicker than Yoshi in qualifying and the races in which he made more than a lap or two. Yoshi seemed to be on a cruise and collect at most of the races (understandable given it was his shop window to show what he can still do, but slightly disappointing for me in the lack of mongrel in his races) in comparison.

Will the Asia series discourage Filippi because of the results? I know him reasonably well, and I don't see if having much of an effect so far other than to make him angry at the pitfalls that befell him, which is probably a good thing.

On the other hand, Grosjean had things pretty easy: will that be good preparation for a brutal season in the main series? We'll see...

**chunterer** · 3 May 2008, 09:40 (Ref:2193097)

As Jackman said, I also didn't see Filippi suffering at the hands of Yoshimoto, perfomance wise in Asia. Like Senna to an extent, Luca suffered appalling misfortune which stunted his challenge to Roman and the others in Asia and perhaps we're not emphasising this point in evaluating how the two stack up against each other.

Turkey is clearly going to be a more useful barometer as to how the two compare but maybe still too early to see which of them is going to come out on top.

Certainly although I think the Frenchman is going to ultimately take the advantage, I think the two of them will be more closely matched than say Nico and Premat or Lewis and Premat were in '05 and '06.

My take so far is that Roman is out and out more aggressive, but Filippi is perhaps a more cunning driver. Again in contrast there were at least a couple of rounds in Asia where Luca was meteoric in the opening laps of a race......

Mekola · 4 May 2008, 03:40 (Ref:2193518)

We have a full season to see the results on all this... In papers, Grosjean is the favourite to shine but...

Sev · 10 May 2008, 19:33 (Ref:2198411)

Yup. Filippi. Awesome.

Bleu · 10 May 2008, 20:08 (Ref:2198431)

Filippi had awful race. Of course he stalled, but then he was very unfair at the end, let Grosjean go easily but kept Zuber behind very long, destroying the battle for 2nd then.

Jimmy Magnusson · 10 May 2008, 20:44 (Ref:2198451)

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Originally Posted by Bleu

Filippi had awful race. Of course he stalled, but then he was very unfair at the end, let Grosjean go easily but kept Zuber behind very long, destroying the battle for 2nd then.

I'm sure Romain will buy him a beer.

Jackman · 12 May 2008, 07:04 (Ref:2199773)

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Originally Posted by Bleu

Filippi had awful race. Of course he stalled, but then he was very unfair at the end, let Grosjean go easily but kept Zuber behind very long, destroying the battle for 2nd then.

No he didn't: it was only a couple of fast corners, despite what Zuber said.

**chunterer** · 2 Jun 2008, 10:00 (Ref:2217656)

Well at Monaco, both ART drivers had very mixed weekends, but Grosjean still appeared to have the edge.

That's 6 races down and Filippi has not looked like the driver we saw last season. Can he recover any form or has he been 'negged' out of it already?

OJB · 2 Jun 2008, 11:00 (Ref:2217710)

Maybe ART will promote Hulkenberg, who equally doesn't seem to be getting anywhere in F3 because the competition is so huge. He seems to be the fastest (or one of the fastest) but hasn't had much luck so far.

As for Filippi, I'm stunned at his start to the season. It really has been awful!

**chunterer** · 2 Jun 2008, 20:43 (Ref:2218139)

Well Euro F3's only just started (but then so has GP2) so Nico's got plenty of time left to put his challenge together. I would've thought Nico's in line a drive next season in their GP2 team, Filippi's surely got money invested for the whole season - he's bound to sort things out shortly?

Jackman · 17 Jul 2008, 10:21 (Ref:2252534)

So Filippi finally got fed up with ART and left - probably should have done that a bit earlier...

**chunterer** · 17 Jul 2008, 19:04 (Ref:2252829)

So yes, whatever the reasons for the split, his side of the fence or theirs it's probably for the best, but how much has this horrendous half season cost him in terms of his future chances?

sceptic · 17 Jul 2008, 20:58 (Ref:2252933)

Hopefully Filippi can recover from this. Though he was probably naive to think he'd get equal treatment at ART.

Russfeld · 18 Jul 2008, 15:38 (Ref:2253406)

You have to laugh that Sakon has outqualified Luca by a single position. Yeah it's one session, but still...

alonso11 · 18 Jul 2008, 21:15 (Ref:2253596)

I cant help but think Filippi -if he was still with ART- woulda record pretty much the same laptime Yamamoto did. Having said that Yamamoto's wallet is a tad bit thicker, it was just a wise move by the team.

META4 · 19 Jul 2008, 06:41 (Ref:2253738)

There is a report on Italiaracing saying that ART did advantage Grosjean over Filippi. An exemple is the last race at Silverstone, when Filippi was starting from Pole , he was sent by his team with Dry set-up which obviously was not the right one for a completly wet track.It is reported also that some Engineers from ART left the team as well due to this " all for Grosjean"

Lets wait and see what Filippi will do with Arden, i am pretty sure he will get in top 10 today and do Top 5 tomorrow

F3 Rocks · 19 Jul 2008, 09:56 (Ref:2253797)

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Originally Posted by META4

There is a report on Italiaracing saying that ART did advantage Grosjean over Filippi. An exemple is the last race at Silverstone, when Filippi was starting from Pole , he was sent by his team with Dry set-up which obviously was not the right one for a completly wet track.It is reported also that some Engineers from ART left the team as well due to this " all for Grosjean"

Lets wait and see what Filippi will do with Arden, i am pretty sure he will get in top 10 today and do Top 5 tomorrow

Do you belive ART would compromise one of its drivers, they want to win with both cars 1,2 like any other team, Frédéric Vasseur is a professional and knows you dont win the championship with just one car. And to suggest anything else is prepostererous. Grosjean has an exceptional talent Fillipi is average.
Filippi should have stayed with Super Nova he had a great team who belived in him and one of the best engineers in Sean Thompson (who made him) His first mistake was not running GP2 Asia with Super Nova, When he was their first choice. He failed in GP2 Asia dismally, Super Nova found success, winning and podiums with Fairuz Fauzy. Fauzy (4th) finnishing in the championship higher than Senna when he was rated a complete outsider (Filippi rated as favorite). To move to Arden now will be the same story, his new team mate Sebastien Buemi is every bit as good a race driver as Romain Grosjean so when he fails again will he blame his new team of bias. I can't see any F1 team wanting to take a driver who flits from team to team to cover his own failures.

ivanalesi · 19 Jul 2008, 10:21 (Ref:2253810)

Well, if his engineers and mechanics leave the team along with him, it's clear. Btw, I've heard in his F3 days, that Grosjean's father Christian is one of Briatore's lawyers and that is partly the reason for his RDD status. Has anyone else heard that?

F3 Rocks · 19 Jul 2008, 14:38 (Ref:2253920)

[quote=ivanalesi]Well, if his engineers and mechanics leave the team along with him, it's clear.

Do you know they have left the team or are you like others relying on an Italian web site for that information,(or disinformation) because I for one cannot see ART mechanics following Fillipi anywhere.

Jackman · 19 Jul 2008, 20:10 (Ref:2254081)

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Originally Posted by F3 Rocks

Do you know they have left the team or are you like others relying on an Italian web site for that information,(or disinformation) because I for one cannot see ART mechanics following Fillipi anywhere.

The story was actually broken by British site www.gpweek.com, not Italiaracing (who admitted in their story they were just repeating it).

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