Which team will win first? Toyota, BAR, or BMW?

VilleneuveTracy · 5 Aug 2005, 00:06 (Ref:1372438)

My money is on BAR-Honda with Rubens Barrichello behind the wheel of the victorious machine.

Raglanparade · 5 Aug 2005, 00:08 (Ref:1372439)

My money is on Toyota, with Ralf Schumacher, and i think it will happen before the close of the season.

GolddustMini · 5 Aug 2005, 00:11 (Ref:1372441)

curnel mustard, in the study, with a lead pipe.

oops wrong thread

VilleneuveTracy · 5 Aug 2005, 00:17 (Ref:1372450)

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Originally Posted by GolddustMini

curnel mustard, in the study, with a lead pipe.

oops wrong thread

What are the odds that all six cars fielded by those teams will fail to finish? BAR can beat the 2005 Ferrari in a straight fight on occassion and Button often can beat Renault's Fisichella. Can it beat the McLarens (well, the lone McLaren that finishes

) and Alonso, though? Has it done so in any race this year?

kuchi · 5 Aug 2005, 00:12 (Ref:1372443)

My money is safe at the bank, but anyway, I think BAR can do it this year, if McLaren and Renault and Ferrari fail to finnish a race.

luke · 5 Aug 2005, 00:22 (Ref:1372455)

Great thread VilleneuveTracy. I would go along with BAR, Toyota were strong at the start of system, fats and consistent, but I think this was mainly down to Mclaren and the other teams struggerling at the start of the season.
Williams very much doubt it.

kuchi · 5 Aug 2005, 00:22 (Ref:1372456)

I think Bar has a good car for the firts third of every race, but after the first pit stop they tend to dissappear, but I think they have good drivers, and a good engine, so who knows, maybe they can get that win before we all imagine.

VilleneuveTracy · 5 Aug 2005, 00:35 (Ref:1372465)

Thanks, Luke. Of course, the thread would surely have been better if I said "BMW, with Jacques Villeneuve behind the wheel of the victorious machine" in the initial post.

I think BAR is arguably the third fastest team right now. I wouldn't be surprised if it won this year but I think it is unlikely that anyone other than McLaren, Ferrari, and Renault will win this year. There are few races left and you would think the also-ran teams have, for all intents and purposes, given up developing their 2005 packages in favor of working on their 2006 packages.

Tally thus far

BAR-Honda-3
Toyota-1
BMW-0

SetikX · 5 Aug 2005, 00:55 (Ref:1372473)

If BAR is the third best car, why do you think that Mclaren, Ferrari and Renault all have a chance of winning a GP this year, and they dont?

I dont think BAR will win this year, no chance at all.

Louis B. · 5 Aug 2005, 01:22 (Ref:1372483)

"BMW, with Jacques Villeneuve behind the wheel of the victorious machine"

Can I double my money adding it will be at the Australian GP 2006?

VilleneuveTracy · 5 Aug 2005, 01:38 (Ref:1372487)

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If BAR is the third best car, why do you think that Mclaren, Ferrari and Renault all have a chance of winning a GP this year, and they dont?

Ferrari may win again this year if Bridgestone has superior tires at another grand prix this year. BAR will not able to record a fluke tire win because it is on Michelins.

Quote:

"BMW, with Jacques Villeneuve behind the wheel of the victorious machine"
Can I double my money adding it will be at the Australian GP 2006?

How cool would that be? Imagine the reaction on here.

Louis B. · 5 Aug 2005, 02:25 (Ref:1372494)

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Originally Posted by VilleneuveTracy

How cool would that be? Imagine the reaction on here.

It's night in the UK and the mods are apparently all sleeping. Let's imagine this lovely scenario for one moment. As JV gets the chequered flag, I see the jaws of KB, Booth, Knowlesy, Joe Rossi, Glen, Quicksilver etc. falling; you, Kirk, Mr. V and myself racing to our respective computers starting victorious threads praising JV; Poor Adam working frantically on his computer closing my inflammatory threads; my warning level indicator getting wild; funny smilies, etc.

However, this, my friend, might never happen...

Kicking-back · 5 Aug 2005, 09:50 (Ref:1372692)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Louis B.

It's night in the UK and the mods are apparently all sleeping. Let's imagine this lovely scenario for one moment. As JV gets the chequered flag, I see the jaws of KB, Booth, Knowlesy, Joe Rossi, Glen, Quicksilver etc. falling; you, Kirk, Mr. V and myself racing to our respective computers starting victorious threads praising JV; Poor Adam working frantically on his computer closing my inflammatory threads; my warning level indicator getting wild; funny smilies, etc.

However, this, my friend, might never happen...

O/T, but couldn't let it lie: Where have I ever criticised Jacques Villeneuve?

Mr V · 5 Aug 2005, 16:13 (Ref:1373048)

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Originally Posted by Kicking-back

O/T, but couldn't let it lie: Where have I ever criticised Jacques Villeneuve?

Who's gonna look through over 14,000 posts to prove you wrong

curveball · 5 Aug 2005, 19:15 (Ref:1373198)

My money's on Jarno in the Toyota to win first, albeit after McLaren and Renault have all dropped out of a race.

And if that shouldnt happen, add me to the JV in Australia 2006 list!

And can I share some of Louis' meds too?

chillibowl · 5 Aug 2005, 19:21 (Ref:1373202)

i also picked toyota to win first. they spend so much cash and right or wrong that does make a difference. faster development cycle and all.

*off topic
also i love how this is turning into a JV thread. im sure its been tried in the past and failed miserably, but there should be an opened ended thread where people can just let it all out about their views on JV!

Tf105 · 5 Aug 2005, 21:36 (Ref:1373419)

Toyota.... this year... one win each for both Ralf and Trulli... and both renaults and mclarens would still be in the race but in the far distance off the toyotas... an when either driver wins the next one would be second

thank you

mabs_nsx · 7 Aug 2005, 14:26 (Ref:1374312)

Teams best to worst
Mclaren
Renault
BAR
Toyota
Ferrari
Williams
Red Bull
Sauber
Minardi
Jordan

BAR will definatly win before Toyota or BMW!

Glen · 5 Aug 2005, 09:57 (Ref:1372698)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Louis B.

It's night in the UK and the mods are apparently all sleeping. Let's imagine this lovely scenario for one moment. As JV gets the chequered flag, I see the jaws of KB, Booth, Knowlesy, Joe Rossi, Glen, Quicksilver etc. falling; you, Kirk, Mr. V and myself racing to our respective computers starting victorious threads praising JV; Poor Adam working frantically on his computer closing my inflammatory threads; my warning level indicator getting wild; funny smilies, etc.

Nurse! Quick - bring Louis' medication! And quickly - he's delerious and out of control!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Louis B.

However, this, my friend, might never happen...

Might?

Louis B. · 8 Aug 2005, 22:35 (Ref:1375371)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glen

Nurse! Quick - bring Louis' medication! And quickly - he's delerious and out of control!

Don't listen to him nurse! BTW, I have enough sharing my hospital room with him!

Mr V · 5 Aug 2005, 16:11 (Ref:1373044)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Louis B.

you, Kirk, Mr. V and myself racing to our respective computers starting victorious threads praising JV;
However, this, my friend, might never happen...

Certainly won't my friend, i would never start a thread congratulating JV

Jordi · 7 Aug 2005, 11:29 (Ref:1374238)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Louis B.

It's night in the UK and the mods are apparently all sleeping. Let's imagine this lovely scenario for one moment. As JV gets the chequered flag, I see the jaws of KB, Booth, Knowlesy, Joe Rossi, Glen, Quicksilver etc. falling; you, Kirk, Mr. V and myself racing to our respective computers starting victorious threads praising JV; Poor Adam working frantically on his computer closing my inflammatory threads; my warning level indicator getting wild; funny smilies, etc.

However, this, my friend, might never happen...

I don't think I'd be able to open a thread if that happened... I'd be opening a few bottles of champagne!

Silk Cut Jaguar · 5 Aug 2005, 01:48 (Ref:1372488)

I think both Toyota and BAR are poised to repeat what Williams did last year and take the last of the season.

Come China Alonso will have the title sewn up allowing Renault and McLaren to ease off in the development stakes, letting the other teams through.

Louis B. · 5 Aug 2005, 02:27 (Ref:1372495)

Should I prove to be wrong with my above reasoned prediction, I would think that BAR is the more likely next non-Renault / McLaren / Ferrari winner of a GP.

VilleneuveTracy · 5 Aug 2005, 02:29 (Ref:1372496)

It certainly seems unlikely to happen in 2006. Perhaps JV could pilot a BMW car to a podium next year, though? It would take a bit of luck to happen but it is at least somewhat possible. If it weren't for the Sato incident on lap 1 JV would have finished 4th in Canada in a Sauber and BMW will surely be substantially more competitive than Sauber was.

The JV of 2005 or even the JV of 2002 is not as good as the JV of 1997 or 2000 but I still think he has tremendous talent left, even at age 34. You are familiar with his resume. If he is given an opportunity to drive a competitive car the motivation that made him a champion in IndyCar and F1 should return and I wouldn't be surprised if JV had a DC-like resurgence with BMW next year.

View Poll Results: Which team will win first?
BAR	22	38.60%
Toyota	30	52.63%
BMW	3	5.26%
None of them will ever win a race!	2	3.51%
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