IMSA Race TUSC Round 7: 6 Hours of the Glen

**joeb** · 20 Jun 2014, 14:08 (Ref:3424232)

The 6 hours of the Glen is back as a part of the North American Endurance Championship. Qualifying begins at 15:55 local track time on Saturday 28 June with the race kicking off at 11:15 Sunday 29 June. We have all four classes competing on track together for the first time since Sebring. Caution flags anyone? Oh well, it should be fun!

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Maelochs · 20 Jun 2014, 14:42 (Ref:3424251)

So .... P2 or DP ....?

Sorry Joeb, couldn't resist.

More seriously, it will be interesting to see how the new DP with all its modern aero handles the Glen, and how the P2s do (don't think they have ever run there.)

Sadly, no new cars in the field, but the DWing is entering in the tricycle class .... I keep hoping the DWing will have some sort of breakthrough race and show the performance of the open car ... but not exactly holding my breath.

What I really want to see is the two Mazdas having a day like or better than Laguna. The cars can run with the rest of the P-class ... and the Glen might be a good place to do that.

I enjoyed Detroit, but I am a lot more eager for a proper sports car endurance race.

I wonder if parts of it are televised---probably not as Sunday is NASCAR day ... like Friday, Saturday, Monday ....

**joeb** · 20 Jun 2014, 16:45 (Ref:3424295)

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Originally Posted by Maelochs

So .... P2 or DP ....?

Sorry Joeb, couldn't resist.

Well played! Hey talk about how they will perform at Watkins all you like, just don't talk about which one looks nicer or is overall "better"!

Maelochs · 20 Jun 2014, 16:52 (Ref:3424300)

"That GTLM table always makes me scratch my head because everybody gets breaks, just doesn't make sense. It seems like you could get to equality with many fewer moves"

It's like the line from that Deep Purple album ... "Can we have everything louder than everything else?"

Danathar · 20 Jun 2014, 17:56 (Ref:3424313)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maelochs

So .... P2 or DP ....?

Sorry Joeb, couldn't resist.

More seriously, it will be interesting to see how the new DP with all its modern aero handles the Glen, and how the P2s do (don't think they have ever run there.)

Sadly, no new cars in the field, but the DWing is entering in the tricycle class .... I keep hoping the DWing will have some sort of breakthrough race and show the performance of the open car ... but not exactly holding my breath.

What I really want to see is the two Mazdas having a day like or better than Laguna. The cars can run with the rest of the P-class ... and the Glen might be a good place to do that.

I enjoyed Detroit, but I am a lot more eager for a proper sports car endurance race.

I wonder if parts of it are televised---probably not as Sunday is NASCAR day ... like Friday, Saturday, Monday ....

who knows. Honestly I'm so jaded about the whole DP vs P2 thing I almost couldn't care.

BudLightJaguar · 20 Jun 2014, 14:42 (Ref:3424253)

Though we have the PC gentlemen racing again, I still have positive thoughts about this event.

There's six hours to go, yellow flag now and then won't hurt

Gulf · 20 Jun 2014, 16:39 (Ref:3424291)

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Originally Posted by BudLightJaguar

Though we have the PC gentlemen racing again, I still have positive thoughts about this event.

There's six hours to go, yellow flag now and then won't hurt

Maybe if we are lucky will get 5 and a half hours of FCY so we can have another "close finish with tons of cars on the lead lap" like at Sebring.

Salamus · 20 Jun 2014, 14:49 (Ref:3424258)

A Viper or Falken win would be awesome. I can't wait to see those Vipers dueling with the Corvettes.

Maelochs · 20 Jun 2014, 14:55 (Ref:3424259)

I second Salamus.

WolfsburgRS · 20 Jun 2014, 15:37 (Ref:3424273)

Yep, Falken or Viper is where I'm voting as well. The return to the Red/white is awesome, and the cars are going to have that much more visual impact because of it. I never really liked the silver based liveries.

Salamus · 20 Jun 2014, 16:28 (Ref:3424286)

BOP Changes to GTLM and GTD.

**joeb** · 20 Jun 2014, 16:39 (Ref:3424290)

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Originally Posted by Salamus

BOP Changes to GTLM and GTD.

You can find the IMSA info HERE. And holy smokes, there ave been 103 competition bulletins already this year in IMSA!

New AoP table:
http://www.imsa.com/sites/default/fi...0%2314-102.pdf

That GTLM table always makes me scratch my head because everybody gets breaks, just doesn't make sense. It seems like you could get to equality with many fewer moves....I can't even look at the GTD table....

edit: in case you want to see the FIA table with GTE bop look HERE

JHamilton · 20 Jun 2014, 18:13 (Ref:3424315)

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeb

You can find the IMSA info HERE. And holy smokes, there ave been 103 competition bulletins already this year in IMSA!

New AoP table:
http://www.imsa.com/sites/default/fi...0%2314-102.pdf

That GTLM table always makes me scratch my head because everybody gets breaks, just doesn't make sense. It seems like you could get to equality with many fewer moves....I can't even look at the GTD table....

edit: in case you want to see the FIA table with GTE bop look HERE

That's interesting Joe, thanks, I had not bothered to look. It's also frustrating... I just hate BOP, especially when your favorites are at a disadvantage in every category.

You know what I do like though? P2 cars. They sure are good looking.

Deleted · 23 Jun 2014, 16:19 (Ref:3425471)

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeb

You can find the IMSA info HERE. And holy smokes, there ave been 103 competition bulletins already this year in IMSA!

New AoP table:
http://www.imsa.com/sites/default/fi...0%2314-102.pdf

That GTLM table always makes me scratch my head because everybody gets breaks, just doesn't make sense. It seems like you could get to equality with many fewer moves....I can't even look at the GTD table....

edit: in case you want to see the FIA table with GTE bop look HERE

Viper is the USCC equivalent of WEC Aston Martin. It is beyond ridiculous how many breaks that car has.

Btw those are bulletins for all IMSA series so the total count isn't technically that high.

Ginaro Zukovsky · 23 Jun 2014, 22:20 (Ref:3425628)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

Viper is the USCC equivalent of WEC Aston Martin. It is beyond ridiculous how many breaks that car has.

Btw those are bulletins for all IMSA series so the total count isn't technically that high.

Well the Viper started the year off much heavier than it had been in Le Mans last year, and seems to have gone up and down all year in terms of weight: 1280, 1250, 1265 and back down to the 1250 similar to Le Mans last year (1255).

Articus · 20 Jun 2014, 18:22 (Ref:3424318)

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Originally Posted by Salamus

BOP Changes to GTLM and GTD.

Were the Vipers any good at Daytona and Sebring? I don't even recall them running? Was it that bad?

jasonjessica09 · 20 Jun 2014, 18:40 (Ref:3424321)

I'll try to be optimistic too. Watkins Glen should not be the disaster that Sebring was for these reasons:

1. IMSA officials are showing signs they learn from mistakes. In particular I hope they will be less 'yellow happy'

2. The nature of the Watkins Glen track could allow for more space for disabled cars to get out of the way

3. Hopefully there will be fewer unqualified LMPC drivers in this field.

With that said. I hope that Fox will devote much of their TV time to the GTLM battle. It will be epic. I think the Vipers will come in renewed and be a force again. I expect a 10 car slug fest in that category (minus Krohn Ferrari)

BudLightJaguar · 20 Jun 2014, 18:51 (Ref:3424323)

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Originally Posted by jasonjessica09

I'll try to be optimistic too. Watkins Glen should not be the disaster that Sebring was for these reasons:

1. IMSA officials are showing signs they learn from mistakes. In particular I hope they will be less 'yellow happy'

2. The nature of the Watkins Glen track could allow for more space for disabled cars to get out of the way

3. Hopefully there will be fewer unqualified LMPC drivers in this field.

'nuff said. This is exactly what I hope for this race.

Gulf · 20 Jun 2014, 18:56 (Ref:3424324)

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Originally Posted by Articus

Were the Vipers any good at Daytona and Sebring? I don't even recall them running? Was it that bad?

Viper would have won Sebring if NASCAR knew the differneces in their own classes.

TF110 · 20 Jun 2014, 19:37 (Ref:3424338)

Yup. Handed that race to Porsche. Looking forward to those Red Snakes again. Always my pick in GTE... LM.

Articus · 20 Jun 2014, 19:49 (Ref:3424344)

GTE promises to be a barn burner. I demand exclusive air-time

vodka · 21 Jun 2014, 11:05 (Ref:3424538)

So this should be DP all the way, as this is a fast and flowing track. Still hope for Sharp/Dalziel and PNA Porsche victory.

Maelochs · 21 Jun 2014, 11:12 (Ref:3424540)

The biggest concern I have is whether the officials will be calling "avoidable contact" penalties at the Glen.

Detroit was fun, but pretty much a NASCAR race, with all the leaders passing by hipcheck---not the way racing should be, IMO.

Six hours of "Eat my fender" and all the P2s will be in the garages.

Lanky Turtle · 21 Jun 2014, 13:44 (Ref:3424584)

Entire race on FS1, so that's good for people without FS2, or who don't like to continually change channels in the middle of the same program.

I think the track should somewhat favor the P2's, depending on whether the DP's can get through the esses at full throttle. But the problem with the P2's right now is numbers. There's not enough of them and their performance is entirely dependent on how just 2 teams run.

BudLightJaguar · 21 Jun 2014, 14:26 (Ref:3424612)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maelochs

The biggest concern I have is whether the officials will be calling "avoidable contact" penalties at the Glen.

Detroit was fun, but pretty much a NASCAR race, with all the leaders passing by hipcheck---not the way racing should be, IMO.

Six hours of "Eat my fender" and all the P2s will be in the garages.

Yup. Contact belongs to RallyX or Sprint cars. Not to sports car races.

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