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17 Jul 2013, 09:33 (Ref:3278647) | #1 | ||
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Pat Symonds joins Williams as CT
Interesting development.....
Also means both members if the top design team of last year's car, Gillan and Coughlan have both left! Pat is one if the best engineers ever to inhabit F1 but what will his appointment mean for Williams? Can he bring something new or extra? Suggests a major overhaul of the engineering function is forthcoming.... |
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17 Jul 2013, 09:48 (Ref:3278649) | #2 | |
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Pat Symonds will most likely Williams F1 Team with Marussia F1 Team the best engineers, and probably also some of the old familiar from Enstone.
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17 Jul 2013, 22:04 (Ref:3278900) | #3 | |
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A big addition to Williams. They won't go down without a big fight.
Good to have Pat back properly as well. Despite what happened at Singapore, you felt his reasoning was sincere and that he hugely regretted it. He deserves another chance. |
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I have a lot of time for Pat Symonds, a great addition for Wiliams..
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That's right, hopefully we will see Williams on the right way again...
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18 Jul 2013, 00:12 (Ref:3278941) | #6 | ||
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But its hard to know where the sponduli will come from to firstly rebuild the technical team, and secondly, put a pukka #1 non-paydriver in one of the seats.. to see how fast it can really go...
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I certainly hope that Pat Symmonds can work some magic at Williams and that his employment there is not too late to have some decent input into their 2014 car. Go Williams! |
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Williams: 18.5-8.5 to Valteri Bottas According to Otto's analysis on his Team Mate comparison thread. |
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Maldonado always seems to look better in the races, and loves circuits like Monaco, where the driver actually makes a difference. But the car is truly awful this season, and it seems more likely that luck and not talent will get the car in a higher position than the 'newbies' are attaining.
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I understand that there is a general feeling of 'relief' at the change. Do not be surprised if further changes happen.
Obviously a good man - calm, calculated & very knowledgable. One has to have a good feeling about it in the long run. Results are the only judge but it takes time & the correct application of available resources. Witness Lotus F1 (without him). But 2 years ago the same changes were made at Williams for the same reasons & have broadly failed. No one can guarantee success. Only one team can win & usually one car is fastest each year. It's like shuffling cards, hoping to pick out the Ace. Little is made in all these sorts of cases of the ones who choose these key people. They don't often suffer the criticism they deserve because the press don't like to go out on a limb & tell home truths - for obvious back scratching reasons. And why do teams continue to take on 'failures'? Just because they have held a certain position, they seem afraid to 'let them go somewhere else'. The F1 teams are littered with smart young people every bit as good if given the chance. It's synomonous with Premier League football - no matter how good your home grown players, they can't resist buying in 'names'. |
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and i don't know if there are actually any smart young people ready to take on such a responsibility yet, frankly. not with the same kind of hands-on engineering experience. until then you do have to have someone there to direct and lead. |
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There certainly are plenty of others who are just as capable but have been passed over for whatever reason. Those making the judgements of who to promote are certainly not infallible either. There may be a difference between employing someone with a history of 'lack of success' & someone with a history of 'failure'. It's difficult to judge. How many chances should somebody have? F1 is not always fair or logical. The requirement for 'instant success' often clouds or distorts peoples' judgements. |
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I can't believe members of this Forum are actually welcoming back a proven cheat and GP "fixer"! "I've always had alot of time for Pat"........why? I don't care how good an engineer he might be, the bloke is seriously flawed, morally & ethically bankrupt.
F1 is about the only place an underhand sneak, who is prepared to actually tell a driver to deliberately crash, would find work. Who know's what could have happened to Piquet or others during that "arranged" shunt? What if a marshall had been hit by a flying wheel or another driver had run over suspension parts? Absolute stupidity - to sanction such a reckless act is unforgiveable. |
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And the Williams staff merry-go-round continues. Its rather sad to see the team like this, it would be good for them to have some stability.
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No sycophancy required here - if you can justify your reasons for an opinion then go for it. Forums don't work so well if everyone agrees all the time
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There is another sport where frequently disgraced "professionals" are welcomed back; football. Where else would a man convicted of battering women or sexual assault find work?
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What can we say ? Are we above all these moral standards ? If he payed for his actions can he have another chance ? A proven professional with years of experience and well known in the circus, certainly the men in the power at Williams knows what they're doing. We surely can see the difference between him and the mastermind behind the cheat, and that says a lot. To be honest, I've seen so many worse things happening in politics that nothing impresses me anymore.
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Welcome back, you're exactly the sort of character we need in Motorsport.
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/09/1...leaked-online/ Never mind that proper people like Prof.Sid Watkins & others have dedicated their lives to Motorsport Safety.Never mind the Hans device, cockpit surrounds, crash testing etc,etc,etc. Never mind what happened to Massa. Never mind that marshall's and spectators have been killed by flying debris - just go and stick it in a concrete wall my son - oh, and be careful. |
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending him or his actions, I'm just saying that it's something beyond our view of what is wrong or right, or is it ethic or is it fair. From my business position, I wouldn't hire such people, but that's not how things happen in other places.
In all situations, above anything, I don't judge anyone, being right or wrong, it's not my way. Maybe you can, judge him or judge me, you certainly can live with that. I respect your opinion and that's what counts here. |
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Everyone deserves a second chance, IMO.
I think that there are definitely some other characters in F1 who I would not trust as far as I could throw them, and they have not ever been banned for anything because they are much better at not getting caught. |
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He got his reputation bashed but he wasn't punished much. Neither was Briatore. Symonds has charmed his way back in, in a way that Briatore the sleazy lout probably couldn't. Look, maybe PS is all remorseful in his own mind and if so best of luck to him but his comeback really underlines the fact morality doesn't count in contemporary F1 and the governance of F1 is pretty lax. Well we all knew that of course.
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A second chance in a non critical environment, maybe.
In something like Motorsport, Aerospace, the Medical Profession etc - No Way! |
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