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Would this have worked?
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Dont the rules state the car must have FOUR wheels?
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I see three.
May be a look at the FIA Formula 1 technical rules will help you. http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/ru...l_regulations/ |
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I think that wheels have to be on the same axle (not 1 front 1 rear ) like this design.
I remember this happening in the 60s with a guy called Owen Greenwood, who raced sidecars and decided that as long as it had 3 wheels it should be allowed. He had 2 in front and 1 behind using a Mini Cooper S engine and gearbox. It was successful and wasn't outlawed. Jimmy you might have got it wrong, I would have thought that it was steered by the front wheel ? Last edited by GORDON STREETER; 2 Feb 2008 at 20:26. |
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worked?
in the context of the 93 regulations when the drawing was made ?
maybe however there is a large differance between something that works and something that wins being an open wheel series the covered rear wheel would be an obvious bug in the design having the track width right at the center of mass might be useful |
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I dread to think what the porpoise effect would be like over undulations,front to rear ballance looks suspect. Perhaps a little less rear wing?
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I suppose we will never know as it will never be built. It could be tried on a computer on trick software, but the real thing may well be a bit different on the track. The six wheel Tyrrell was outlawed before everybody would have thought that was the way to go (I know Williams had one)
Incidentally thinking back about Owen Greenwood his outfit actually had 4 wheels. The two at the back were very close together and were classed as one. He obviously knew the grey area's. F1 manufacturers today have probably got several people working in a special "grey area" dept that we don't hear about. |
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this looks like an F1 version of del boys 3 wheeler reliant robin.
Small front wheel...not much there for acurate turning...poss understeer. Air exit...dirty air mid way thru the car would throw out the aero. Hot air exit..excess heat on the tyres.... Well it would make a good see-saw can i have one for my grandson |
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Love to how they would have done a sub 10 second wheel change!
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Looking at it again it looks like the sort of thing that Batman would have driven.
and the futuristic things we would have seen in the "Eagle" |
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Would be intresting turning into a corner with a rear puncture with the front wheel off the ground, or sudden deflation at speed of the rear tire would turn the thing into a high flyer, air miles anyone??
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L Ashwell Wood was a major influence on my choice of engineering as a career. As for the diamond wheel layout, there was a car built before WWI which I'm pretty sure had that format; it had two seats, in tandem but one facing left, one facing right. I can't at the moment remember what it was - research will continue! It was also proposed, but never, as far as I know, built, by Gabriel Voisin for his 'voiture de l'avenir' in 1923. |
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[quote=Dave Brand]Sadly, I remember the first edition, with a free self-assembly card model of the de Havilland Comet.
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This is a concept 'discovered' many times.
See Ottavio Fuscaldo's Rombo of 1912 (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/.../emrgit21.xml), the Voisin "Car of the Future" in 1934, the Pininfarina PFX in 1960, the Charbonneauz Ellipsis in 1993 ( http://deveze-design.9business.fr/de...Historique.htm) and the Cranfield Diamond Shaped Car (DSCar) of 2006 (http://www.sia.fr/files/actualite/Di...ix_2006%20.pdf) (See pp12-18) It has never got beyond the prototype stage. Apart from anything else, it is only suitable for two passengers or three at a pinch - but that is irrelevant for an F1 car. I would have thought that pitching would be an enormous problem. John Last edited by JohnD; 5 Feb 2008 at 22:26. |
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So it did! http://www.sunbeam.org.au/models/mabley.htm
And it would have won the Scrapheap Challenge Sofa Speedway event by a mile. I've never seen such a well upholstered set of wheels. John |
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