Chevron B16

[allenbrown]

This thread is for the very brave indeed. The following list appeared in HSCC Newsletter Jan 1985 p7 accompanying a letter from Peter Grant that was complaining about replica B16s even then. The first list, he said, "can be confirmed by Paul Owen, Graham Gould and Roger Anderson [sic]". He meant Andreason.

Chevron B16 Manufactured 1969-1971

01 Works Car
02 Works Car
03 D. Mortland
04 Robins
05 Baker USA (written off 1970)
06 J. Burton
07 Red Rose Racing - J. Bridges
08 I. Skailes
09 Koepchen Tuning (BMW Questor Car)
10 Works Car (Written off in Germany 1970)
11 Not manufactured
12 Skelen (Crashed in Germany; still about)
13 Not manufactured
14 Yves Deprez (Belgium fitted Mazda engine)
15 Cowdley
16 T.A.P.
17 Baker USA
18 Not manufactured
19 Not manufactured
20 J. Siffert Switzerland
21 Baker USA
22 Not manufactured
23 Not manufactured
24 Not manufactured
25 Not manufactured
26 Not manufactured
27 J. Siffert Switzerland
28 J. Siffert Switzerland
29 Dobby
30 Not manufactured
31 Not manufactured
32 Not manufactured
33 Not manufactured
34 Sevart 1971
35 R. Hevans
36 J. Siffert (Burnt out Goodwood 1983)

From 1969 - 1970, 20 B16 were built
1971 3 B16 were built
A total of 23 cars

Present history of B16 cars and owners
01 Phoenix Arizona USA
04 Richard Budge
06 Tony Griffiths
07 Peter Grant
08 Andrew Fletcher - rebuilt after bad crash
09 Ex Simon Phillips - driven by B. Bell (Sold to Sweden 1984)
12 Claus Petz Beckhauser (in bits in Germany)
20 Brian Taylor

So, how much can we add to this?

Allen

[allenbrown]

I've rescued this snippet from another thread:

Originally Posted by zapparacing quoting classiscars.com who subsequently gave permission for this to be used

B16-DBE01 1969 Gr.5/6 Ken Walker
B16-DBE02 Ford Gr.5/6 John Bridges
B16-DBE04 Ford Gr.5/6 Chevron Cars => Brian Robinson
B16-DBE06 Ford Gr.5/6 Worcestershire Racing Asocciation (Burton)
B16-DBE07 Ford 1970 Gr.5/6 Red Rose Racing (J. Bridges)
B16-DBE08 Ford 1970 Gr.5/6 Willie Tuckett
B16-DBE09 BMW 1970 Gr.5/6 Koepchen Tuning
B16-DBE10 1970 Gr.5/6
B16-DBE14 Mazda 1970 Gr.5/6 Levis Int. Racing
B16-DBE19 Ford 1970 Gr.5/6 Eris Tondelli
B16-DBE26 BMW 1970 Gr.5/6 Chevron Racing Team
B16-DBE34 1970 Gr.5/6 Tilmant
B16S-70-01 Ford FVC 1970 Gr.6 Chevron Cars (Redman) => Team Gunston ...=> Jo Siffert Automobiles Racing Ltd....=> Don Shead

[p261brm]

Originally Posted by allenbrown

I've rescued this snippet from another thread:

Originally Posted by zapparacing quoting classiscars.com who subsequently gave permission for this to be used
B16-DBE01 1969 Gr.5/6 Ken Walker
B16-DBE02 Ford Gr.5/6 John Bridges
B16-DBE04 Ford Gr.5/6 Chevron Cars => Brian Robinson
B16-DBE06 Ford Gr.5/6 Worcestershire Racing Asocciation (Burton)
B16-DBE07 Ford 1970 Gr.5/6 Red Rose Racing (J. Bridges)
B16-DBE08 Ford 1970 Gr.5/6 Willie Tuckett
B16-DBE09 BMW 1970 Gr.5/6 Koepchen Tuning
B16-DBE10 1970 Gr.5/6
B16-DBE14 Mazda 1970 Gr.5/6 Levis Int. Racing
B16-DBE19 Ford 1970 Gr.5/6 Eris Tondelli
B16-DBE26 BMW 1970 Gr.5/6 Chevron Racing Team
B16-DBE34 1970 Gr.5/6 Tilmant
B16S-70-01 Ford FVC 1970 Gr.6 Chevron Cars (Redman) => Team Gunston ...=> Jo Siffert Automobiles Racing Ltd....=> Don Shead

Ken Walkers B16 was chassis DBE07 purchased from John Bridges and the first race in Walker's ownership BOAC at Brands with John sharing the driving finished 10th overall

[allenbrown]

And also this:

Originally Posted by stein johnsen

A few more cars from my research on Roger Heavens B 16

1970 B 16 /17 T.A.P
1970 B 16/027 J Siffert
1970 B 16/028 J Siffert BMW
1970 B 16/029 Dennis Dobie (Dart)
1971 B 16/035 Roger Heavens FVA
1971 B 16/036 J. Siffert


I hope this will be of help

[John Turner]

I can add these amalgamated posts of yours from an earlier thread, Allen, and may be able to add some others, later, too

Originally Posted by allenbrown

I'll add this, found in Sport Auto's report on the 1971 300 km d'Auvergne (August 1971 p63-65).

The Chevron B16s listed are:

Robinson B16/4
Tilmant/Dubos B16/34
Ken Walker B16/1

The Chevron book says 23 built in 1969 and 1970 plus a B16-Spyder built in 1970. Debut race Nurburgring 7 Sep 1969.

Mathews Collection have B16 DBE21 here. http://www.mathewscollection.com/for...er_Chevron.htm No history given.

Also, there's B16 DBE32, said to have been built in 1981, here. (this link lost -JT)


And finally B16 DBE24 in the Boxenstop Museum here. http://www.barchetta.cc/all.ferraris...ery/index.html

Allen

[allenbrown]

Originally Posted by John Turner

Also, there's B16 DBE32, said to have been built in 1981, here. (this link lost -JT)

Nothing's ever lost on the Internet. The Classic Car Collection website no longer shows this car (I know, but it takes less time to say 'link lost!' - JT) but I can tell you that it used to say:

FIA papers, mint condition, but no history, build in 1981, for the purpose of the former Formuna 1 racer Reine Wisell. This is one of the most competitive B 16’s available on the market. Currently fitted with a DBG 2000cc engine but includes another ...

[allenbrown]

Thanks John. The links in that last post have gone, presumably because it's quoted. Could we get them back? (Two out of three recovered - JT)

Interesting that three cars that Peter said weren't built, 19, 24 and 26, are showing up already plus 32 which was acknowledged as a 1981 build. I think you may be able to find a post on 18 as well.

Allen

[John Turner]

The last of the salvageable posts:-

Originally Posted by Alan Brown

What about the two adverts on page 101 of the present issue of Classic & Sports Car [May 2006]? One by Martin Chisholm Collectors Cars Ltd shows a red B16 "built by Chevron in 1983 using original components.... accepted and raced in the World Sportscar Master series.... recently restored by Peter Denty and fitted with a new Richardson FVC". The other advert by Taylor and Crawley shows a 'Gulf blue/orange' B16 said to be ex -Ecurie Francorchamps and fitted with a fresh Richardson FVC.

Originally Posted by Bryan Miller

Alan,
The red B16 is in the archive section of www.race-cars.com and is listed a being built 1983 for the then new director of Chevron. Lawrence Jacobson used the chassis number DBE018 for the car as that was a number not used in period according to the script on the site.
Bryan.

Originally Posted by John Turner

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Brown
The other advert by Taylor and Crawley shows a 'Gulf blue/orange' B16 said to be ex -Ecurie Francorchamps and fitted with a fresh Richardson FVC.


This car is still being advertised by Taylor & Crawley (page 167 of the August issue od C&CS) who are now saying this is Chassis no.15.

[Simon Hadfield]

I cant wait to see how this thread develops-I reckon I have seen just five real, proper,unambiguous B16s!

[driftwood]

A few B16 cars were sent to the factory in 72 and converted to B21 cars (same as B19 but with a different cockpit section), as many key components, such as engines, g/box, wheels and uprights were the same as B21.

The B16S car was the forerunner the B19, so it's highly likely that the B16 chassis was similar to the B19/21 chassis making it economical for the owner of a 1967/8 car to upgrade his 'old' car to a modern race car.

A similar thing happened to the B8 cars converted to make the Gropa 2 Litre GP5/6 race cars with the historic racing scene of the 1980`s when the cars were converted back to more "valuable" B6/8 race cars.

So, Allen, you now have a list of cars that you can create the then and now database.

[allenbrown]

One thing I should point out about Peter Grant's letter which started this thread is that Tim Colman of Chevron Cars Ltd (the new company that had acquired Chevron's assets from Robin Smith) wrote into the next edition of the newsletter saying that it wasn't quite that simple. Firstly, although gaps appear in Chevron's records, that doesn't necessarily mean that the car wasn't built. Some cars were sold without all the paperwork being completed and that may explain a few of the gaps. Secondly, B16s were converted to B19 and even B21 or B23 spec and may have been given new chassis plates at that time. When B16 values increased, these cars may have been converted back to B16 spec in some way.

The problem at the time seems to be that B19s and B21s were being converted 'back' to B16 spec.

There were five B16s entered in the HSCC series for 1985. More of them later.

Allen

[allenbrown]

Known 'continuation cars'

Race-cars.com have had three B16s and all are acknowledged as continuation cars.

DBE 18 Built 1983 by Chevron race cars for Lawrence Jacobson. To Roger Pitts (California) 1990 - Ed Swart (Rolling Hills, California) - Robert Manschot (Arizona) by 1996 - vendor late 1996. Sold by Race-cars.com.

B16 32 Built by Vin Malkie. Raced extensively in US.

B16-47 "B16 replica" "Purchased new in the UK from Chevron Cars UK built from original jigs with Carbon Kevlar bodywork". In South Africa.

Once again, I am so grateful to race-cars.com for that archive and for the diligent way they document all know history of the cars they offer.

Allen

[driftwood]

Allen are u being facitous here??Once again, I am so grateful to race-cars.com for that archive and for the diligent way they document all know history of the cars they offer.


What was the Mazda b16 chassis numberB16-DBE14 Mazda 1970 Gr.5/6 Levis Int. Racingok ive found it maybe my question should be what happened to it!!
Stephen Minoprio is racing a car now with mazda 12a in it but its not the original car
im sure of the original 23 cars built all 27 are now running
no doubt the b16 cars turned into b21 will suddenly re appear !!

[driftwood]

The list of cars as posted here merged for ease and any comments !!
Chevron B16 Manufactured 1969-1971 Present history of B16 cars and owners
01 Works Car B16-DBE01 1969 Gr.5/6 Ken Walker 01 Phoenix Arizona USA
02 Works Car B16-DBE02 Ford Gr.5/6 John Bridges
03 D. Mortland
04 Robins B16-DBE04 Ford Gr.5/6 Chevron Cars => Brian Robinson 04 Richard Budge

05 Baker USA (written off 1970)
06 J. Burton B16-DBE06 Ford Gr.5/6 Worcestershire Racing Asocciation (Burton) 06 Tony Griffiths
07 Red Rose Racing - J. Bridges B16-DBE07 Ford 1970 Gr.5/6 Red Rose Racing (J. Bridges) 07 Peter Grant
08 I. Skailes B16-DBE08 Ford 1970 Gr.5/6 Willie Tuckett 08 Andrew Fletcher - rebuilt after bad crash

09 Koepchen Tuning (BMW Questor Car) B16-DBE09 BMW 1970 Gr.5/6 Koepchen Tuning 09 Ex Simon Phillips - driven by B. Bell (Sold to Sweden 1984)
10 Works Car (Written off in Germany 1970) B16-DBE10 1970 Gr.5/6

11 Not manufactured
12 Skelen (Crashed in Germany; still about) 12 Claus Petz Beckhauser (in bits in Germany)
13 Not manufactured
14 Yves Deprez (Belgium fitted Mazda engine) B16-DBE14 Mazda 1970 Gr.5/6 Levis Int. Racing
15 Cowdley
16 T.A.P.
17 Baker USA
18 Not manufactured
19 Not manufactured B16-DBE19 Ford 1970 Gr.5/6 Eris Tondelli
20 J. Siffert Switzerland 20 Brian Taylor

21 Baker USA
22 Not manufactured
23 Not manufactured
24 Not manufactured
25 Not manufactured
26 Not manufactured B16-DBE26 BMW 1970 Gr.5/6 Chevron Racing Team

27 J. Siffert Switzerland
28 J. Siffert Switzerland
29 Dobby
30 Not manufactured
31 Not manufactured
32 Not manufactured
33 Not manufactured
34 Sevart 1971 B16-DBE34 1970 Gr.5/6 Tilmant

35 R. Heavans
36 J. Siffert (Burnt out Goodwood 1983)
B16S-70-01 Ford FVC 1970 Gr.6 Chevron Cars (Redman) => Team Gunston ...=> Jo Siffert Automobiles Racing Ltd....=> Don Shead From 1969 - 1970, 20 B16 were built
1971 3 B16 were built
A total of 23 cars

[Simon Hadfield]

The Minoprio car is that built by Plygrange for Jim Crawford and Barrie Williams to use in Thundersports in the mid-eighties. Note the chassis number-22

[allenbrown]

No I'm not being facetious. How many race car dealers bother to go to that effort and then go to the trouble of making those details available for posterity? Not many.

More likely is "Chevron B16. POA. Phone for details."

Allen

[Simon Hadfield]

The original Mazda car exists in a private collection and when found still had the period tyres fitted. Lord Laidlaws is one other of the "famous five"- any guesses for the other three? The best story I have heard so far is of the original owner of one of the updated B16/21/23s (long since sold) decides to "rebuild" his identity, to find on completion that 3 B16s already exist with his number!

[driftwood]

[BMore likely is "Chevron B16. POA. Phone for details."
][/B]allows the vendor to build the car to your specs & colour and decide what history he can pull out of the hat to make you swoon!

The best story I have heard so far is of the original owner of one of the updated B16/21/23s (long since sold) decides to "rebuild" his identity, to find on completion that 3 B16s already exist with his number! See above comment!!!
Hypafetical question
" I own a car that was once B16 & now a Bsomefink or other- can i go and get new VM built B16 chassis kit and create the old original B16 tag number or would i need to add in the gearbox ( engine? ) uprights to make the car more original?"
what would constitute the "continuous" car
how close is the b16 tube frame to the later B19 21 23 frames?
could i turn the b 19 21 23 car back into the B16 car and claim the prized chassis plate# and the extra £50k on the windscreen price

Note the chassis number-22
now how "dumb" was that everyone knows ( after reading the derek bennet story) cars dont have multiples of 11 in the build number sequence

[henk4]

To revive this thread following a discussion about the number of "fake" B16s now participating in the CER-series (Classic Endurance) there are some interesting obsercations to make.

Running now are
DBE6 (C. Quiniou, the black one)
DBE14 (Stephane Gutzwiller, the co-writer of the last year issued autobiography of Roger Nathan. I have not seen the engine, but it definitely does not sound rotarian)
DBE26 (Quiniou, the red one)
DBE35 (J. Nicolet , blue )
DBE36 (John Sheldon, red)

Furthermore DBE19 (yellow) is owned and run by Jose Albuquerqe

At the recent Monterey Historics DBE23 and DBE28 (both red) were raced.

The B16Spyder is owned by Roy Walzer, and was raced last year at the Monterey Historics.

All cars above were identified via their chassis plate....(an easily reproducable item)

It was questioned whether all five CER cars are original, basically also because of the share of BMW engines used. Judging from the post above, an original B16 looks like a holy grail, but in my humble opinion one of the most beautiful (if not the most) racing cars ever produced deserves as much visibility as it can get.

Does anybody know which car was used by Kent Abrahamson in the sixties?

[phdm]

Originally Posted by henk4

DBE26 (Quiniou, the red one)

On the one hand:

Originally Posted by allenbrown

The following list appeared in HSCC Newsletter Jan 1985 p7 accompanying a letter from Peter Grant that was complaining about replica B16s even then. The first list, he said, "can be confirmed by Paul Owen, Graham Gould and Roger Anderson [sic]". He meant Andreason.

Chevron B16 Manufactured 1969-1971

26 Not manufactured

On the other hand:

Originally Posted by allenbrown

I've rescued this snippet from another thread:

Who's right ? Who's wrong ?

[phdm]

Originally Posted by henk4

DBE36 (John Sheldon, red)

Originally Posted by allenbrown

The following list appeared in HSCC Newsletter Jan 1985 p7 accompanying a letter from Peter Grant that was complaining about replica B16s even then. The first list, he said, "can be confirmed by Paul Owen, Graham Gould and Roger Anderson [sic]". He meant Andreason.

Chevron B16 Manufactured 1969-1971

36 J. Siffert (Burnt out Goodwood 1983)

See also:

RM AUCTIONS - Monterey - August 2004 - Lot 156

http://www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails...r156&Currency=

http://www.carcollector.com/MarketJo...ay081304MJ.pdf

Same car ?

[henk4]

Originally Posted by phdm

See also:

RM AUCTIONS - Monterey - August 2004 - Lot 156

http://www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails...r156&Currency=

http://www.carcollector.com/MarketJo...ay081304MJ.pdf

Same car ?

Thanks, this is much more concrete than making vague statements to remove the "fake" B16s

I did see a car with #36 during the 2005 Monterey Historics, when Chevron was one of the featured marques. I did not ask Sheldon if that was his car, although when I recently asked him about the number of his car, he immediately returned with the question whether I knew of another #36.

As far as #26 is concerned, it is stated in this thread that the Chevron manufacturing records were not the best which of course is a convenient aspect for those who want to introduce cars under numbers that were "officially" not used. You may also know that the first cars did not carry numbers at all, but were retroactively numbered to get the B8 homologated as a GT. I have no idea whether the no-numbering practice was carried over to the B16 as well, but I assume not. The ones not built are of course all the cars with the "11" factor and the #13, but for the rest, why should Chevron have skipped a large amount of non contentious numbers?

[henk4]

Originally Posted by henk4

I did see a car with #36 during the 2005 Monterey Historics, when Chevron was one of the featured marques. I did not ask Sheldon if that was his car, although when I recently asked him about the number of his car, he immediately returned with the question whether I knew of another #36.

here is a picture of the #36 (according to the official Monterey Historics Programme 2005). I did not verify the chassis number at the time. The wheels are obviously not the same as those on the RM car, and also the paint job has been altered slightly, but that is cosmetics.

http://img105.imageshack.us/my.php?i...619691sod5.jpg

[henk4]

Originally Posted by henk4

Does anybody know which car was used by Kent Abrahamson in the sixties?

to correct myself, meant was "driven in the eighties", and I have a pic of the car, yellow with a central double black striping, carrying number 51. Looking through the website of Zul Racing, it turned out to be DBE29, the Dobby car, now back in the UK(?) in a dark blue livery. Whose car is it now?

[mercevo2]

Hi All....My name is Alan Eisner, and back in 1982/3 I owned a genuine CHEVRON B16.....it was bought from Lester owen, who bought it from Jo Siffert, originally Jo was so impressed with the car, he bought one from Chevron to use as a road car and to hill climb it ocassionally, it was bought with a road going BMW engine, but Lester rebuilt the car for me all back to the original spec, and it was successfully raced by me and won about 10 races, it was eventually sold in 1986 when I retired, at the same time I also sold my B8, now I still do a small amount of intructing with the RMA circuit club track day organisation.....anyone interested is welcome to get in touch with me on mercevo2@aol.com......
all the best Alan