Will DC score points in 2005?

gfm · 2 Jan 2005, 15:51 (Ref:1191651)

I feel quite smug. Last year when it was known that DC was not staying at McLaren, I thought Jaguars was a good place for him to exercise all his experience.
I'm full of support for my local (Milton Keynes) team and a good guy (DC) with a good manager (MB), BUT ...
can they realistically be any sort of contender in 05, or will they be fighting it out frustratingly with the other local team from Silverstone, near the back?
Not having a manufacturer's budget isn't exactly going to spur them on, is it?

ralf fan · 2 Jan 2005, 16:19 (Ref:1191657)

Id like to think they'll manage A point atleast in 05..... and DC will probably be the one to score it the majority of their points...

Down F0rce · 2 Jan 2005, 16:51 (Ref:1191677)

I think so, but not on a regular basis at first.

M Coupe · 2 Jan 2005, 16:59 (Ref:1191685)

Agreed, I think DC will score points but it won't be many (I just hope it is more than Webber managed this year).

Rich R · 2 Jan 2005, 17:11 (Ref:1191690)

i actually see red bull being around the same level as jag were, so maybe a few points here and there.

Kicking-back · 2 Jan 2005, 17:22 (Ref:1191698)

They will score some points - and DC will take the lions share of those.

Fantasy GP610 · 2 Jan 2005, 17:43 (Ref:1191718)

DC will score points ......... but maybe later in the season

Dani Filth · 2 Jan 2005, 17:52 (Ref:1191723)

he has chances . remember that minardi scored points last season

**Adam43** · 2 Jan 2005, 17:54 (Ref:1191725)

Yes I think it will. Points to eight place now. Jaguar Racing scored ten last year, so I expect a few from Red Bull Racing. DC has a decent chance of being the one who scores them too.

Super Tourer · 2 Jan 2005, 18:46 (Ref:1191757)

A lot depends on how Toyota perform, if they get it right this year and JT and RS keep it in the right direction, they will enormously increase their score compared to 2004.

That would make 12 'works' cars fighting over 8 places before we count in Sauber who have a good finishing record and will probably build a better can than RBR and have Ferrari power again.

It won't be easy for RBR to score, but circumstances can change during races. However, I believe it will be the hardest year for 'non-works' cars to score points (certainly substantial ones) for several years.

luke · 2 Jan 2005, 18:49 (Ref:1191759)

Under 10 points.

Dan Fielden · 2 Jan 2005, 19:14 (Ref:1191774)

It has to be said he will realistically. DC is no Mupet in fairness and if Klien can score points(Taking nothing away from the austrians efforts) then DC has a good shot. I agree with luke, i don't think he will score more than 10 pts but he will get some. Klien will impress tho. I feel he has a future in f1 which is more than can be said for DC.

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gfm · 2 Jan 2005, 19:33 (Ref:1191788)

As an ambassador for Jaguar, I thought David was absolutely the right man. However for Redbull, it hasn't the clout has it?
His biggest problem will be somehow to shine somewhere well enough for an established team to have him back as a (promising/threatening) GP winner.
Very difficult to see how he can do this; so in turn, it will be extremely difficult to keep motivated and find that one big shot IMHO.
I wish them all luck though.

Dan Fielden · 2 Jan 2005, 19:39 (Ref:1191791)

I too wish them all the luck an f1 team can have

Knowlesy · 2 Jan 2005, 20:12 (Ref:1191817)

I wish them luck too, but 2005 will be very, very trying for RBR.

They lost time with the Ford sellout saga and they aren't in ideal shape at the moment. Couple that with the fact that their engines will be way off the pace and it looks miserable indeed.

I can't see them scoring ten points and any points they do score will be in races of attrition. They probably can't wait for 2006.

Teretonga · 2 Jan 2005, 20:17 (Ref:1191822)

RBR the new Minardi/Jordan?
I hope not.
Yes they should score some points. Ideally a podium would be great but while it is probably most unlikely it would be something to see....after all Eddie irvine managed to pull one off at Monza a few years ago...

Dan Fielden · 2 Jan 2005, 21:27 (Ref:1191866)

RBR I feel will be ahead of Jordan and Minardi, well i hope so, but by much well time will tell. Have they been on the pace in recent test? we should perhaps not speculate as the dullard would say but will DC'S huge f1 experiance prove beneficial.

P.S BOOTS. ure signature is a prime example of a miserable 2005 comentary lets hope itv sit up and take notice of the comments made.OHH NO LET US NOT START ANOTHER THREAD ON JA

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Knowlesy · 2 Jan 2005, 20:21 (Ref:1191826)

But that was a great drive from an under-rated driver. Also, he happened to have an engine suited to Monzas straights and a car lacking downforce!

BootsOntheSide · 2 Jan 2005, 20:58 (Ref:1191844)

10 points is a reasonable target for the team, considering the improvements Toytoa are bound to have made. The changes to the rules for 2005 will put mroe of a premium on reliability, which never teams will struggle to get. I can't see them scoring anything outright on merit - reaching 8th place would probably depend on at least 3 or 4 others breaking down or crashing.

Kicking-back · 2 Jan 2005, 20:59 (Ref:1191846)

People may be forgetting that Red Bull's boss is a billionaire - and will spend what he has to.

luke · 2 Jan 2005, 21:01 (Ref:1191850)

But look at Toyota.

Knowlesy · 2 Jan 2005, 21:10 (Ref:1191856)

Mateschitz won't overspend though....he has a company to protect.

The team is conditioned to make the most of what it has. I'd imagine they'll be given a set (albeit much bigger) budget and expected to work with that and no more.

RaceFreak · 2 Jan 2005, 22:21 (Ref:1191902)

Remember last season? When the Merc engine was grenading in the back of Kimi's car, DC showed a knack for bringing it home; albeit further down the order. With the new engine reliability rules some manufacturers simply will not get it right . Honda in particular. I think DC's talent for not abusing the machinery will serve him well this year.

The effect of the harder compound tires and new aero rules MAY level the field, but teams with supercomputers and CFD experience will be at an advantage. Methinks Jag/RBR has neither of these. Pity.

Skam85 · 21 Jan 2005, 03:51 (Ref:1206068)

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaceFreak

With the new engine reliability rules some manufacturers simply will not get it right . Honda in particular.

What are you willing to bet on that?

joe rossi · 21 Jan 2005, 23:44 (Ref:1206817)

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaceFreak

Remember last season? When the Merc engine was grenading in the back of Kimi's car, DC showed a knack for bringing it home; albeit further down the order. With the new engine reliability rules some manufacturers simply will not get it right . Honda in particular. I think DC's talent for not abusing the machinery will serve him well this year.

The effect of the harder compound tires and new aero rules MAY level the field, but teams with supercomputers and CFD experience will be at an advantage. Methinks Jag/RBR has neither of these. Pity.

I think DC is one of the more intelligent racers out there, even if he isn't the fastest in out and out speed. As you rightly say the new regs will have a big part to play this year, and none of us know how yet. There are a lot of top drivers who can't look after their tyres, there are the hot heads like Sato and Massa who will chuck it off the road, and then there is the engine reliablity, which may well be RBR's biggest problem. Dc is pretty good at bringing the car home, through a lot of adversity sometimes, and this may well be his biggest asset to Red Bull

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