ELMS ELMS 2013 Discussion

Speed-King · 20 Oct 2012, 18:16 (Ref:3154971)

(Apologies if there is a thread for this already, if so delete of merge)

Anyway, seems like the calender is out:

Quote:

#ELMS schedule just came out. Silverstone April 12-13, Imola May 17-18, Austria July 19-20, Hungary Sept 13-14, Paul Ricard Sept 27-28

via Tony DiZinno on Twitter. Story should be up on racer.com in a little while.

Weird of them to release it during the PLM race.

Simmi · 20 Oct 2012, 18:27 (Ref:3154976)

It's the final round of the ELMS so maybe not so weird.

Good to see the Silverstone double-header confirmed. A feast of sportscars a couple of months before the big one.

GT3.14 · 20 Oct 2012, 18:40 (Ref:3154978)

Happy to see the Red Bull Ring on the schedule, what a beautiful place. Any news on race distances?

aneesh99 · 20 Oct 2012, 18:45 (Ref:3154979)

Is it set in stone or is their scope to expand at all? I love it that ELMS is back, the season just seems a little short!

Speed-King · 20 Oct 2012, 18:46 (Ref:3154980)

4.5 hours from what I've heard. I could imagine it being billed as 500 Miles, as that's just about as long as they'll travel in that period of time.

Edit: DSC says 3 hour races.

Speed-King · 20 Oct 2012, 19:09 (Ref:3154985)

And EI has the full story:

http://www.endurance-info.com/versio...nce-14078.html

GT3.14 · 20 Oct 2012, 19:09 (Ref:3154986)

Three hours... Well, I guess the running costs will be low.

kober · 20 Oct 2012, 19:20 (Ref:3154991)

12-13.04 Silverstone GBR with FIA WEC
17-18.05 Imola ITA with FFSA GT Tour
19-20.07 Red Bull Ring AUT with World Series by Renault
13-14.09 Hungaroring HUN with World Series by Renault
27-28.09 Paul Ricard FRA with World Series by Renault

What about Official Test Session on Paul Ricard in March? And what's "FFSA GT Tour" ?

Three-hour races, two-day weekends, no changes to class structure - a good direction?

Speed-King · 20 Oct 2012, 19:24 (Ref:3154992)

GT Tour is the French GT3 championship. Has seen better times, though, with grids down to 20-ish cars these days.

aneesh99 · 20 Oct 2012, 19:41 (Ref:3155002)

I'm typing this from memory so apologies if I'm wrong but those dates look vaguely familiar, I think these dates are going to clash with the WEC and ALMS. I'm going to check schedules now.

kober · 20 Oct 2012, 19:44 (Ref:3155004)

Provisional 2013 Le Mans Racing calendar:

16 Mar Sebring 12h ALMS

13 Apr Silverstone 3h ELMS
14 Apr Silverstone 6h WEC
20 Apr Long Beach ALMS

04 May Spa 6h WEC
18 May Imola 3h ELMS
18 May Laguna Seca ALMS

09 Jun Le Mans Test
22-23 Jun Le Mans 24h WEC

06 Jul Lime Rock ALMS
20 Jul Red Bull Ring 3h ELMS
21 Jul Mosport ALMS

04 Aug Autopia AsLMS
11 Aug Road America ALMS
31 Aug Baltimore ALMS
31 Aug Sao Paulo 6h WEC

14 Sep Hungaroring 3h ELMS
21 Sep Fuji 3h AsLMS
21 Sep Austin ALMS
22 Sep Austin 6h WEC
28 Sep Paul Ricard 3h ELMS

05 Oct Virginia ALMS
19 Oct Road Atlanta ALMS
20 Oct Fuji 6h WEC

10 Nov Shanghai 6h WEC
30 Nov Bahrain 6h WEC

08 Dec Sentul 3h AsLMS

?? ??? Zhuhai 3h AsLMS
?? ??? Shanghai 3h AsLMS
?? ??? Ordos 3h AsLMS

The only clashes are on 18 May (ELMS+ALMS), 31 Aug (WEC+ALMS), 21 Sep (ALMS+AsLMS) - not bad

ger80 · 21 Oct 2012, 09:31 (Ref:3155309)

Hm, 3 hour races for ELMS will make it less attractive for 3 drivers

deggis · 21 Oct 2012, 10:00 (Ref:3155319)

How does 2 x 3h format actually reduce costs? I'm not doubting, but just asking how? You almost think it would be the opposite, since 2 x preparation.

ger80 · 21 Oct 2012, 10:44 (Ref:3155336)

Where do you see 2 x 3 hours?

deggis · 21 Oct 2012, 10:57 (Ref:3155340)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ger80

Where do you see 2 x 3 hours?

http://tentenths.com/forum/showpost....85&postcount=6

Simmi · 21 Oct 2012, 11:05 (Ref:3155342)

Quote:

Originally Posted by deggis

http://tentenths.com/forum/showpost....85&postcount=6

Someone with better French might need to step in but I don't think that's what the article is saying.

With all the money Google have they could certainly stand to pump a bit more into their translation software.

Victor_RO · 21 Oct 2012, 11:25 (Ref:3155351)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simmi

Someone with better French might need to step in but I don't think that's what the article is saying.

With all the money Google have they could certainly stand to pump a bit more into their translation software.

No, that article is saying that the races are being reduced from 6 to 3 hours. No mention at all of two 3h races per weekend.

"Le changement intervient dans le format des courses avec des meetings de trois heures et non plus six."

Rough translation: The change is in the race format, with 3h races and no more 6h ones.

deggis · 21 Oct 2012, 11:40 (Ref:3155354)

You're right, but even the English version on elms.com is extremely confusing.

http://www.europeanlemansseries.com/....php?news=2214

Quote:

"Each of the five race meetings will be held over two days, with practice on Friday and qualifying a 3-hour race on Saturday,"

"The move to two day events and three hour races has been done to help reduce costs."

"qualifying a 3-hour", is that supposed to say "qualifying and a 3-hour..."? That would make sense.

Simmi · 21 Oct 2012, 11:41 (Ref:3155356)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Victor_RO

No, that article is saying that the races are being reduced from 6 to 3 hours. No mention at all of two 3h races per weekend.

"Le changement intervient dans le format des courses avec des meetings de trois heures et non plus six."

Rough translation: The change is in the race format, with 3h races and no more 6h ones.

I think it might have been this 'translated' sentence which caused confusion.

Quote:

The format of the meetings will be two days, with free practice on Friday and qualifying race and three hours on Saturday.

ger80 · 21 Oct 2012, 16:07 (Ref:3155454)

who is going to get the pits when they share with WSBR?

isynge · 22 Oct 2012, 11:59 (Ref:3155836)

I think my main issue with how the calendar now stands is that we've got a very busy April / May period, with quite a few events I'd like to go to in appealing locations, with the consequence that I'm unlikely to be able to do the lot of them, and then post Le Mans, a lot of stuff that frankly is a lot less likely to be accessible.

I guess a weekend break to Budapest in September is not entirely unfeasible - but realistically it almost feels like the old days when the season essentially finished with Le Mans.

Subaru_WRX_STi · 4 Nov 2012, 21:19 (Ref:3162595)

GT3 cars welcomed in ELMS 2013! Wasn't the case this year but nobody showed up?

http://audi-motorsport-blog.blogspot...ries-2013.html

Fogelhund · 4 Nov 2012, 22:35 (Ref:3162614)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Subaru_WRX_STi

GT3 cars welcomed in ELMS 2013! Wasn't the case this year but nobody showed up?

Yes... though the offer came out midseason, so there is a bit more hope someone would make full season plans...

DeathOrGlory · 5 Nov 2012, 04:56 (Ref:3162728)

Maybe Blancpain teams?

Subaru_WRX_STi · 5 Nov 2012, 05:01 (Ref:3162730)

I don't know really. Point is in Blancpain GT3s are the top class, the lone one (even they are devided in three). In ELMS they will be only the fifth one behind P2, PC and both GTEs.

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