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22 Jun 2007, 17:06 (Ref:1944394) | #1 | ||
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GT2 replaced by GT3 ..... ACO new idea
Im not sure if this has been mentioned before , so here goes .
I was talking to some German journalists at Le Mans who had been at the ACO press briefing . Mentioned was the fact that the ACO are considering replaceing GT2 with GT3 . I was said that the ACO deem the GT2 cars to expensive and way too electronically advanced and want to reduce the cost . Also said by a Porsche mechanic ..... the GT2 997 as we know it is more electronically advanced that a Porsche 911 GT1-98 . |
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I'm all in favour of it. GT3 offers many different cars, currently already has lots teams and seems on a sharp upwards trend. The cars look nice, resemble their road counterparts and they even go reasonably quick, with some more potential to be uncovered.
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Personally I like things the way that they are now, as things are there is a nice balance across all the GT categories with the exception of GT4 which is struggling a little bit.
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22 Jun 2007, 17:54 (Ref:1944432) | #4 | ||
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Sounds good, it seems like GT3 is becoming a popular class with plenty of diversity (Moslers, Cockmobiles AKA Porsches, Ferraris, Astons, Mustangs ...)
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I wouldn't mind that much . but dont want the driver ruling to be in place for LeMans.. if they can get 3 "gold" drivers .. so be it
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Who said anything about "gold" drivers? This is ACO, not the FIA GT3 European Cup. IMO this is ridiculous. The GT2 cars are already 30-40 seconds slower than the average LMP1 protos at Le Mans (never mind the Audi and Peugeot), you want to add another 10-15?
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As I recall it the press briefing pretty specifically counted out GT3 at LM
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AFAIK we are talking about countinmg out the current cars running in GT3 running in a GT3 class at LM or in ACO racing - There is however the rather more grey area of reducing the electronics in the current GT2 cars - My guess is that we will end up with something betwen the two classes eventually
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This is what i was getting at , but didnt word it correctly . An almost GT3 class but not in name GT3 ..... so I guess its a bit of a compromise between the 2 classes ..... but my point remains the same , the idea is to reduce the cost of GT2 , and to address the electronic issue .
Correct or not Graham ? |
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and since GT1 is withering to Aston and Corvette and Saleen only....
and sometime only GT1 in northamerica, why not. make current Gt2 regs and change it to GT1 (introduce a New GT2 Corvette and Aston) and move all the GT3 up to GT2 status... |
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[CENTER] mod note: images from dailysportscar removed - p-c my guess is that these are for customers and not the factory as they were testing the GT1 DBR9 as well.... Last edited by paul-collins; 14 Nov 2007 at 14:17. |
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I think that this car could be a real challenger.
(btw, the images shown were not taken by me therefore are not mine) |
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23 Jun 2007, 00:35 (Ref:1944683) | #16 | ||
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It takes about 18 months to properly develope a GT1 car , nothing on the horizon so far , and its the ACO rules that matter , not Fia GT , with respect to LM .
Nobody seems interested in making the Lambo into a 24 hour car and the Masa is not legal , and I havent heard anything about a new GT1 Masa recently anyway . So , were talking about Corvette ,Aston Martin and Saleen . Great spectacle to watch though , but the fight seemed to peter out this year at Le Mans , with respect to last year anyway . |
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with regards to a so called GT1 problem there is these cars:
aston martin DBR9 corvette C6R corvette C5R saleen S7R lamborghini murcielago RGT koenigsegg CC-GTR maserati MC12* pagani zonda GTS ferrari 550 GTS ferrari 575 GTC *maserati MC12 is restricted to the FIA GT and national GT championships only which is a big shame, if the car were allowed to do LM and the ALMS and LMS it would most assureadly make GT1 much more interesting and breat some new life in. the new koenigsegg CC-GTR remains unraces and could potentially be a good car, the pagani zonda is a car which has raced few times but would be great with some development, yet this is unlikely now. the lamborghini murcielago RGT has already demonstrated in this years spec with good drivers and team that it can win a race and do very well, imo its the darkhorse of GT1 along with the saleen S7R. the ferrari 575 GTC and ferrari 550 GTS are both old and outdated cars now, but i still feel in the right hands that these cars could be damn quick still, especially the ferrari 550 GTS. |
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Corvette are openly talking of re-evaluating the GT1 program, Aston are looking at a P1 coupe, and have the GT3 DBRS9 which could be a great base for a GT2 car, while Saleen is a small specialist manufactuer. If BGT can sustain 3-4 Aston DBRS9's, imagine how many upgraded GT2 examples could race on the international scene! Who would turn their noses up at an ALMS GT2 grid consiting of four cars each from Porsche, Aston, Ferrari and Corvete. Most people seem concerned about the speed and spectale of a new 'lower' class, but all you need to do is open up the restrictors a little and/or reduce weight. A current 997 GT2 has 14in tyres and bigger restrictors, but is saddled with an extra 150kg or so, with a little tweaking you could probably take a much cheaper Carrera Cup car and make it as quick as the 997 GT2, for a fraction of the cost. Last edited by JAG; 23 Jun 2007 at 19:56. |
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FIA HOMOLOGATIONS GROUPES GT1 (until 1998) & GT (from 1999 to 2004) Automobili Lamborghini S.p.A. GT 015 MURCIELAGO Début d'Homol. 01.04.2004 Fin : 2011 Saleen Mustang SR GT1 001 SALEEN S7 TWIN TURBO Début d'Homol. 01.05.2006 Fin : 2013 General Motors GT1 002 CORVETTE Z06 Début d'Homol. 01.05.2006 Fin : 2013 Aston Martin Lagonda Ltd GT 016 DB 9 COUPE Début d'Homol. 01.06.2004 Fin : 2011 Ferrari GT 014 575M MARANELLO Début d'Homol. 01.10.2003 Fin : 2010 Maserati Spa GT 012 3200 GT Début d'Homol. 01.04.2002 Fin : 2009 GT 017 MC 12 – 5'998.8cc Début d'Homol. 01.11.2004 Fin : 2012+ Chrysler GT2 5 DODGE VIPER GTS Début d'Homol. 01.04.1996 Fin : 2009 Saleen Mustang SR GT 013 SALEEN S7 Début d'Homol. 01.04.2003 Fin : 2011+ FIA HOMOLOGATIONS GROUPE GT2 (As from 2005) Porsche GT2 003 911 GT3 RS (997) Début d'Homol. 01.02.2007 Fin : 2014 Lotus GT2 002 EXIGE – 1'796cc Début d'Homol. 01.09.2005 Fin : 2012 Ferrari SpA GT2 004 F430 Début d'Homol. 01.03.2007 Fin : 2014 Maserati SpA GT2 001 Coupé Gran Sport – 4'243.83cc Début d'Homol. 01.04.2005 Fin : 2012+ Now I did not see the Spyker or the Panoz. Sometimes these tech regs on the FIA.com web site are not easy to understant. |
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I just don't want the performance of the cars balanced in a new LMGT class.
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And let's not forget that the ALMS/IMSA is much more prone to adjusting things during the season as compared to the ACO. And let's face it, it is highly likely that next year that we will see neither Spyker or Panoz and it will become a two Marque class. If the ACO are trying to forestall this from happening, with the inclusion of/ supplantation with the GT-3's, then incentives will be needed (IMO) to keep the diversity of Marques that now compete in GT-3 to step up to GT-2. Read; homologation performance adjustments to keep each entrant within a pre-set range. Otherwise we would see them already! I would not have too much problem with this if it were to be adjusted up and not down, with enough rules latitude to allow for individual teams to do their thing - With no adjustments during the season unless something was extremely awry! Then that would allow them to make GT-2 into GT-1, with the incentive (sort of) of the new LMP coupes for the current GT-1 protagonists. I know a little more than just GT-2/3, but was just keeping my ducks in a row. L.P. |
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